As some of you might have already heard by now, over the course of the last 30 days, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have announced new Loan Level Price Adjustments as a result of an increase in delinquency rates with certain mortgage characteristics. This change has resulted in an increase of borrower points on certain loans. These changes are global and will affect all lenders and brokers. These new point adjustments do NOT apply to Easy First or Expanded Approvals Level I & II, or Government Loans like FHA, but will apply to all other CONVENTIONAL CONFORMING fixed rate products. These Loan Level Price Adjustments formally took affect Friday December 7, and will have a significant impact on future Closing Costs for many Borrowers. The Loan Level Price Adjustments are as follows.

  • Credit scores LESS than 680 with LTV’s ABOVE 70% (both refinance and purchase)

We all knew that the present turmoil in the Lending Industry was going to bring about change to Lending Guidelines in an effort to correct the present situation.

However, I disagree that the way to do it is through the pricing side of Lending, but rather it should come from the Debt-To-Income side.  Presently I can approve a Borrower with marginal Credit Scores for a Conventional Loan with up to a 65% Back Ratio.  That means that 65% of their GROSS INCOME is going towards their mortgage and other revolving monthly debt (car payments, credit cards, student loans, etc.).  Once Uncle Sam takes his cut, they are lucky if they have 15% of their income to purchase food, cloths, pay for utilities, and buy gas at over $3.00 per gallon.  Guess what 15% is not going to cut it, and as a result foreclosure is probably in their future.

So the answer in my opinion is not in making houses less affordable by increasing Closing Costs, but rather by lowering the Ratio’s to where they make sense.  Until that is done, people will continue to over extend themselves to purchase houses that they cannot afford, and Lenders do not have any choice but to grant them the mortgage as long as they get an Approved/Eligible through Automated Underwriting.

Pricing will not stop foreclosures or produce better qualified Borrowers, but reducing the percentage of income that can be used to purchase a house will have a major impact in reducing bad loans. Change is needed, but it needs to be change that brings about positive results, and not change that is only going to further the problem.

 

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George Souto is a Loan Officer who can assist you with all your FHA, CHFA, and Conventional mortgage needs in Connecticut. George resides in Middlesex County which includes Middletown, Middlefield, Durham, Cromwell, Portland, Higganum, Haddam, East Haddam, Chester, Deep River, and Essex. George can be contacted at (860) 573-1308 or gsouto@mccuemortgage.com

 

40 Comments on Conventional Conforming Loan Price Changes

DEC
13
2007
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George, this does not look like a viable option for most buyers. Sometimes I think they make a  change just so the news media can say they're working on a problem.
7:41pm • #1
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seems like a waste of time to me!!!
7:43pm • #2
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It looks like another plan which has not been well thought out.  You raise some very important points.  Too bad they don't listen to people like yourself.
7:53pm • #3
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George - I think I heard about this last Friday night from a very knowledgeable mortgage professional.  He is always right on top of any and all changes coming our way and he keeps me well informed.....  ; )
7:56pm • #4
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Linda, I don't consider someone with a 650 FICO score as having questonable credit, yet this will add 1.25 points to their Closing Costs, money that could be better spent on the house.

E. Jeffrey, I will just call it spending time in the wrong direction.

Joan, they should talk to those out in the field before making changes like this. 

7:59pm • #5
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Sandra, I wonder who that could be :)

He might have even gotten home without flipping his car over ....... LOL 

8:04pm • #6
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George... I'll never understand how people can feel comfortable with high debt to income ratios.  In my opinion 50% is high but I still think in the dark ages where the standard was 20% down with a 28/36 ratio.
8:08pm • #7
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Dan, I don't see many of those 28/36 ratio's these days.

Colleen, thank you and thank you again for the e-mail :) 

8:12pm • #9
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George,

If I was in your position I would probably feel the same way. Debt to income ratio. After all common sense wise it should tell you basically how much a consumer really can afford.

8:45pm • #10
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George...  I never see the ratios but the 20% down seems to be a tough one for many people these days.
8:47pm • #11
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Neal, glad you agree, but it is scary that we are thinking a like ........ LOL

Dan, believe it or not I see 20% down more often then I see 28/36 Ratio's. 

8:58pm • #12
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You need to be in charge here!  I'll vote for you if they can let you take care of all this mess!  In any event, it seems they are doing a bunch of nothing to remedy anything....so now what? Hey...I like the new hat you're sporting there....are you copying me?  :)
10:36pm • #13
DEC
14
2007
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George - I don't get how this is going to solve the problems. Thanks for your input and explanation. Love the new photo - you look bery "holiday-y."

Jeff

1:38am • #14
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Sally, yes it is a lot of sizzle without any beef, only in this case it may keep good qualified Borrowers from purchasing a home. Ines dressed me up in the hat, between you and her I am well taken care of :)

Jeff, that is bery, bery "holiday-y" ........... LOL 

 

 

7:36am • #15
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I really love your bow...that topped it off...isn't Ines a wonder? Hehehe. I would have put you in that orange polyester pants suit LOL!
9:34am • #16
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Sally, now that would have been a sight ........... LOL
4:16pm • #17
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George,

Your point makes good sense, if they wanted to fix the issue long term. They have probably considered doing it your way, but decided on the current guidelines, hoping to keep the market moving along, even with the risk that it won't work.

4:28pm • #18
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Esko, you are probably right, but it would get people to lower their sights on house they can afford in stead of house they dream of having.
6:20pm • #19
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George,

It sounds to me like the same stance the credit card companies take. The less someone can afford, the more they have to pay. Hmmmm, kind of like taxes. What really bothers me is the public perception of all the latest changes. It's being cast as if it were a good thing for them, when it most definitely isn't.

 Merry Christmas to you and your family:) I suspect you got the same little snowstorm we did yesterday.

8:48pm • #20
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Karen, yes you have it pegged right, and this latest change isn't going to do anything to correct what is going on.

As far as the snow storm, we did not get hit as hard as you guys.  I have family members in RI that did not make it home until this morning. 

9:18pm • #21
DEC
15
2007
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I look forward to hearing these changes have helped someone, but, doubtful that I will.  Prices are still up there, credit is still a large factor, so, who knows where it will go now!  Maybe, by Sellers paying the points for these buyers?
11:51am • #22
DEC
16
2007
115,968 Points
George - It continues to reinforce my belief that FHA is the best alternative ( at least for the time being ) to the conventional loan products.  Did you see that one of the MI companies will only do 95% loans in the Norwich-New London area?  No more conventional >95% LTV.
3:13pm • #23
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Frances, higher cost to not seem to be that answer for me regardless of who is paying them.  But I am sure that there will be more changes coming, hopefully they will make more sense than this one.

Phil I had not seen that, so thank you for bring it to my attention. 

4:50pm • #24
DEC
18
2007
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George,

Hello my Friend, I hope all is well with you. I have taken a slight leave to get myself in order, and try to regroup myself. I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year, and I will be back, off and on, until I get things back to normal.

Thank you for everything, and take care.

Tom Weiss

4:27pm • #25
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Tom, great to hear from you again.  Yep take care of business and family live first, AR will be here waiting.

Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year to you and your family also.

7:00pm • #26

It is interesting that the average credit score is in the 680's (correct me if I am wrong). So if you are slightly below average then you get hit hard.

I do agree with the DTI comments, especially the back end ratio. THAT should be lowered if anything. The next bell to ring will be the end of Flex products 97% & 100%. I have mixed feelings about that, especially with the saturation of homes on the market but it could be best for the long term (creating a generation of responsible borrowers). Exciting times we are living in!

9:05pm • #27
DEC
20
2007

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8:50pm • #28
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Jeff I have not heard anything about the Flex Products being in danger of being discontinued, I would hate to see that happen, but these days anything is possible.

Credit Guru, Thank you for the compliment.

9:19pm • #29
The sad thing about being concerned and having the clients best interest at heart when it comes to Debt to Income is them not taking your advise if you suggest they can't afford it.  Because, they want the house, they will find a lender to do the loan. 
9:36pm • #30
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Jimmy you are so right.  I had a Borrower whose Ratios were to high for a conventional loan go to another Lender and do a Negative AM loan because they could handle those payments at the "Start Rate".  The problem is when the Neg AM soon starts to adjust.  They do not seem to think about that, all they know is they want the house no matter what.
9:50pm • #31
DEC
21
2007

This risk based pricing will ease once the credit crunch eases.  FNMA can't absorb the sub-prime void, it is leaving that to FHA.  Once the transition is underway, recent adjustments will not be an issue.  Loan limit increases on a temporary or permanent basis will also likely allow agency to regain market supremacy.

Good Post

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George, Your comment on my post prompted me to go to your blog site.  Great article! This one is particularily interesting and disturbing - even now, to buy a home in our area for $400,000 (at our "low end"), to meet the traditional ratios of 28/36 , which I have always used, means you need about a $100k/year income with 30% down payment (a L/V of 70).  Wow! Going above 70 L/V hurts. 

 

7:30am • #33
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Ed, this only applies to Borrowers with credit scores under 680 who are doing a conventional loan. I hope to have a chance to do a blog over the weekend show how you can get around this with other loan programs.  Have a great Christmas and I will try to stop by the office next week, let me know when is normally a good time to catch you there.
5:51pm • #34
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Matthew, thank you for your comment, I am sure that we will see more changes depending on what the market conditions are.  Let's see what effect the up coming FHA changes will have.
6:12pm • #35
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22
2007
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I am just glad that I am not the loan officer to have all these changes coming down the tubes all the time.
10:34am • #36
DEC
24
2007
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I'm totally in favor of reqiring honest loan applications, making loans that buyers can show that they have the ability to pay back.

However, simply increasing the cost to the consumer is NOT the solution.  Wall Street screwed up so let's make the consumer pay, and pay, and pay.

They're insane.

6:43pm • #37
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Susan, it isn't bad if you keep up with them.  It is the ones that take you by surprise that create problems.

Lenn, VERY well put, and that is what they are doing. 

10:21pm • #38
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22
2008
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George -- you have such great insight -- if you have some time, please give us an update on what is happening.  Best of luck to you in 2008, my friend.

8:08pm • #39
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Joan there hasn't been any big changes lately, but a few minor ones that have made things a little more difficult. Things have been busy, but I will see if I can put something together highlighting these smaller changes.
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