right from wrong

How many of you know the difference from right and wrong? Know the difference between telling the truth or telling a lie? I will say this, I am not God nor am I perfect. I know when I have lied, when growing up. And I was punished for it. But what about as a professional? Or do we even call these people professionals?

I had the pleasure of meeting a couple today from Sheri Smith. This couple was pre-qualified by another loan officer about 3 months ago. The loan officer told Sheri and her clients, no problems and happy house hunting. One month later, they are ready to settle on their first house together. But wait!! The loan officer calls and says something came up last minute on title. Last minute?  It was a day before closing. Okay, everyone accepts this for now. The long and short of it, this went on 2 more times and the buyers lost their house because the sellers couldn't wait any longer. 

Part 2.....  The original loan officer makes excuses after excuses. He tells the clients that the wife's credit scores had dropped, hence why it fell apart at the end, besides the title excuse. But he tells them that he will get them approved. He originally had them approved for a $300,000 house. They now find a house of $224,900 because Sheri, the realtor, mentioned to them that they might be buying too much. And she wasn't getting a good feeling about this loan officer. A realtor really can't tell a client what to do, but they can advise a client. She gave them my name and asked if it is okay if I called. They said yes.

 

I spoke to Mr. Buyer and gathered his and his wife's information. This actually took place a week ago. After pulling his credit, I reviewed everything that I thought needed to be addressed. I then immediately called Sheri because not only was this going to be a tough deal to close, but she had handed me the agreement of sale that same day with a  commitment date that said 12/17. Gee, this was in 11 days. I normally wouldn't have a problem if it was an easy deal. But I wanted to make everyone aware of this. Is the commitment date just as important as the settlement date? Luckily this is an estate sale. 

As mentioned, I did get to meet the clients today to finish up the paperwork and to gather some of their documents. I also explained that I didn't feel comfortable with a January 15th, 2008 settlement date either. I said possibly the 22nd and if anything, by the end of January. The main reason is because I need time to clear up about 5 collection accounts that still show open and to get his wifes credit scores above 500.

 

 

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As it stands now, the wife was starting to express her feelings and emotions. Not only did they just get married in the last year, that she lost her mother in the last year, but that they were trying to buy their own house together. Just a FYI, they do own a house now, but it was previously owned by her current husband and his ex-wife. They wanted a new start. She expressed to me that she has been striped of her dignity. She is emotionally drained and can't understand why someone would drag them through the mud like this. I then had to comfort her and explain to her how people act, especially in this industry. My heart just went out to this couple. And what's sad is that they are a barely qualified for anything over $230,000.

 

 

 

 

Moral of this story......   I totally believe in giving people a 2nd chance, but more so depending on the situation. And I know buying a house can be emotional. But if someone keeps dragging something out?  Run away....  please. In my opinion, this loan officer abused not only his title, his power of helping people with one of their biggest investments of their lives, but most of all he out right lied to everyone. We could be here for years, explaining why he probably did this. But here is what I wanted to point out.           IF....

  • your loan officer delays your settlement a few days prior to settlement, the day of, or that day....seriously evaluate what took place and the loan officer's excuses. If their excuse is related to income or credit, this could be a major red flag. Unless this was a rush job, those items are verified early in the stages when applying for a mortgage.
  • your loan officer is hard to reach throughout the process or when you have a problem at settlement.
  • your loan officer changes your rate and or fees last minute, especially at closing.
  • your loan officer doesn't give you a good faith estimate when you are first getting quotes. Or, they tell you that they can't give you one right now. Or, it takes them more than 2 days to get you one, no matter when you asked. Good Faith Estimates can be e-mailed to you in less than a day.
  • you catch your loan officer in a few lies, don't accept fake apologies. Run away.... 

 

 

 

Overall, just don't go with someone because they gave you the best deal. Hey, I get some of my leads from blogging and clients reaching my web site. But be careful of online predators per se and those that advertise a lot with these so-called great deals. Especially deals that nobody else seems to be offering. Do your homework, but don't shop yourself right out of the market!! Remember, we all get our money from the same place when it's all said and done.

 

For those of you that this has happened to or that it is happing to, please read this very important message.  As a Consumer or a Realtor, should you complain?

 

 

 

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14 Comments on FHA & Conventional Mortgages -- Have you been striped of your morals?

DEC
15
2007

Hello Jeff,

We see this all the time and I can understand how frustrating and confusing this can be to a FTHB. I get so angry at these so call loan officers that are in it for a quick buck no matter who it hurts! I do not understand how some companies can put their people out on the street with absolutely no training. I have chosen this profession because I truly enjoy helping people achieve their dreams and judging from your posts; you have as well. Great job and great post.

7:47pm • #1
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Jeff- a really good deal is the one that works out at the end. As your story demonstrates, it's sometimes hard to tell when you can run into a problem. The clues could be the things you mentioned, like when someone doesn't get back to you quickly. 
7:55pm • #2
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She needs time to get her credit score above 500?  Wow!

The other loan officer just kept them on the string without addressing that up front?  Absolutely scary.

9:30pm • #3
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Jeff,

We have all had these clients - the excuse du jor seems to be that the loand program was pulled just days prior to close--eii yii iei  - what are we to do???

Now Have a Blessed Day, and

Remember the Reason for the Season!

John Occhi, Hemet REALTOR®
Mission Grove Realty

9:55pm • #4
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Jeff,

I just commented on Mario Villagran who you me-me, saying "I believe you are who you associate with, and Jeff's good people" you make me proud. Well done.

To consumers I'd reminded them that in today's market they should not be judged, but rather judge weather the Loan Originator was worthy of their business!

As long as I'm sighting my own tripe, I would remind consumers that in todays market as always your only protection is the integrity of your Loan Originator.

Bill

10:08pm • #5
DEC
16
2007

Hi Jeff,

This stuff drives me wild.  It's the riff-raff in this industry that makes people so untrustworthy when it comes to mortgages.  These people are only looking for a paycheck...they don't care about the fact that they are affecting people's lives, particularly during the biggest purchase of their life.

I've always said that there is at least one positive to this crazy housing/lending market that we're in....it's definitely going to get rid of all that bad riff-raff.  They won't make it and for the ones who DO care, we will be here in the end!

1:11am • #6
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Jeff,  Mortgage professionals deal with the same situations as Realtors when it comes to unscrupulous counterparts.  I'm sure a lot of people will learn from your tale here.  I'm always in contact with the mortgage pro, whether I know them or not, whether I have the buyer or not.  I don't like surprises.  I've heard too many stories like yours that supposedly break down at or near closing time when in truth it really broke down a long time before.
8:52am • #7
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Jeff--Sad story...Happens all too often out there. Take care of them as you know how!
9:05am • #8
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Jeff-That is a common story isn't it?  I am disgusted at how many buyers have told me that they went through this sort of scenario with their previous loan officer.  There are plenty of good LO's out there and I am glad to have found some here in Hawaii.
2:41pm • #10
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RONALD....  these weren't even first time homebuyers. But they kept on taking his word that he would get it done. And just use excuse after excuse. Training or not, how can you truly drag something like this out.  And the worst part is that I can't even get this approved as of now. And he told everyone that he sent the file in on the 6th to underwriting. Still nothing... He now is telling them that he will know on Wednesday. lol  What a joke, because the commitment date is tomorrow. He hasn't even brought this up to the realtor.  SAD.

 

FAINA..... I could see 12 hours, maybe a full day. But anything longer than the next day, there is no excuse, no matter how busy you are.  And people need to understand that there are so many clues. 

 

RANDY....  in all honesty, not sure what her credit scores were prior to me pulling them. She was told in the low 600's and then in the mid to high 500's....  but in any case, if he couldn't get them approved the first time, even with better credit scores, why now?  What's even sadder is that he originally told them that they would need $8,000 of their own money, after receiving $8,000 from the seller and their $2,000 deposit. And now...  he is telling them that they need about $22,000 total because their credit is not as good... lol  My total came out to $14,500. I still bear him out by $4,000 in comparison to his first estimate.  SAD and yes, scary.

 

JOHN.....  yes, it seems to happen more than it should. I rarely see it face to face. I do hear about it from other clients sometimes.  thanks for stopping by.

WILLIAM... some very good points sir. And thanks for that polite compliment that you left on Mario's post.

SHERRI...... yes, this crap drives me wild also. And I agree, even though I am slow, I love it, because it will get rid of some of this riff raft. But not all of it. What sucks about this market is that I am sure it even knocked some good people out.  Unfortunately it is the nature of the business.

MARC.....  I hope that many do. I hope that some that are going through this now, read it, and possibly contact someone else to get an idea. It could save them a lot of money and a piece of mind.  And you are right, these surprises aren't usually last minute. These problems happen prior to the last minute and that is what we need to get across to the general public.

TERI.....  yes, very sad. I wonder how many times that this happens?  Thanks for your support.

MARK..... thanks for those kind words. And what sucks is that they already lost money the first go around. I'll know more this week on what I can do and when I can get it closed.  thanks

DAVID.....  common?  Describe common... lol  It shouldn't be that common at all. And yes,there are plenty of good loan officers out there. Wonder how many bad ones out there.  And how many do this and not just once... why?  To see how long they could stick this file on the wall until it falls off? 

 

9:22pm • #11
DEC
17
2007
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Jeff-There are plenty of people in this profession either as a lender or an agent that are just playing roulette.  The term that you use is appropriate: "To see how long they could stick this file on the wall until it falls off".  Aloha and Merry Christmas.
12:31pm • #12
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Jeff....I've heard and witnessed this so many times.  Frankly I'm glad that the GREAT WEEDING out has began. There won't be many staying in the mortgage business after 2008, those who do will be those who deserve to be called mortgage professionals.
5:46pm • #13
DEC
18
2007

Hey Jeff,

All I can say is WOW! not even a FTHB? I went through a similar situation when I purchased my second home in VA before I entered the mortgage industry. I had a fico of 693 and was putting 5% down and had been on my current job for 5 years.Instead of using the last LO who did a great job, my wife suggested we use this LO her boss highly recommended. I kept hearing every excuse as to why we were not closing and my DP was to go from 5% to 20% because it was a rural property? Finally after 45 days and many excusses later, I pulled the loan from her and went back to the LO that did my first loan...we closed in 10 day with 5% down and 1.5% less in rate than the other LO. Just goes to show, some people can't close a book and need to call themselves something other than a mortgage professional. Have a good one.

6:11am • #14
DEC
19
2007
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DAVID.....   you hit the nail on the head. Russian Roulette basically.....  but with someone else's lives. I don't think this will ever change, but at the same time, because of the current market conditions, some of these loan officers should fall out.  Hate to see people lose jobs, but in this case, let's hope so.

This particular client?  The loan officer said last week that it would be today. Nobody has heard from him. What a joke.... how can you do this to someone. 

KARL..... I totally agree. Even though my business has hurt some, this is great for us professionals that are in it for the long haul.  thanks

RONALD.....   hey, clients will put their faith in anyone that says, don't worry or I promise. In all honesty, can you blame them?  Would you expect the person that you are talking to in regards to your finance options are professionals with integrity and are honest?  Look, you even went through part of this. People are just not as loyal as they should be. You should have stuck with your first loan officer. If it's not broken, why fix it. 

No matter how good of a job I do... no matter if I kept in touch or not, some people are just lured to the promise land of lies and fakes.   I know this world is not perfect, but it is very pathetic in some cases. 

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