If You Buy Investment Real Estate What's The Most You Can Lose? by Bill Roberts

Some might say it is the property. You could get foreclosed and lose the property.

Do you think that is the right answer?

Well the answer is NO that is not all you can lose. You could lose everything you have and everything you will ever have. How's that for a threat?

Okay, here's how it works: something bad happens to somebody on your property, or something bad happens to somebody and your property or somebody connected to your property is the proximate cause of their injury. This is a TORT. It is not a crime, but you may have criminal liability as well.

When there is a cause of action arising from your ownership of your property, the damaged party is probably going to hire a lawyer. Lawyers love torts arising from property. They can smell the money.

I hope I've got you scared, because you should be.

You cannot foresee all the things that could happen in, on, and around your property. Nor can you buy enough insurance to fully cover you for a lot of these things. If you have a million dollars of insurance coverage you will probably get sued for ten million dollars. Your own insurance company will become your adversary. They will want to settle and have their liability go away. So if they admit liability what does that do to your position? You can't let them settle, but they'll want you to indemnify them. And you still have this hungry lawyer yapping at your heels.

Then again, maybe somebody was killed and the lawyer thinks that it is worth a hundred million dollars. What are you going to do?

For argument's sake, let's say you get a judgment against you for ten million dollars and you have one million dollars insurance. What is going to happen?

Well, let's see. You've worked for years building up your estate. You just bought this new property for $3.5 million. You did a 1031 exchange moving your one million dollars equity from a couple smaller investment properties. You think that life is getting good. You'll be able to retire on the income from this new property in about five years. Cash flow should be pretty good by then. Then this happens.

 Let's take a look. You've got a million dollars equity and you have a million dollars of insurance. That's two million dollars, but the judgment is for ten million dollars. So where does that leave you. Somewhere up the proverbial creek without enough money, I mean a paddle.

The Poor House

Do you really think that the judgment beneficiary and his lawyer are going to take the two million and go quietly away? Not a chance. They want it all. And maybe that is more than you have if you sell everything you have. Too bad. They'll take it all and you'll still owe them the balance.

What could you have done to prevent this debacle? Well, for starters, you could have held the property in some entity separate from yourself and hope they don't determine that the entity is just an alter ego. Because if they do, they are still coming after you for the balance.

Stay tuned for more answers and analyses in Part 2 If You Buy Investment Real Estate What's The Most You Can Lose? Part 2

Call Bill Roberts if you have questions about your investment property, (619) 244-4610.

 
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30 Comments on If You Buy Investment Real Estate What's The Most You Can Lose?

DEC
17
2007
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Hi Bill,  Investments are not for everyone, that's for sure.  Property management in general can be a nightmare, not to mention the liability.  I've always recommended that my investors create a separate LLC for each property.  When it comes down to it, does that really protect their personal property?
2:26pm • #1
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And do NOT take buyers on construction sites or unfinished homes.  If they fall and break their leg or neck you can be sued and they will probably win.  There is case law on that one.

 

2:26pm • #2
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Jen, It is better than nothing, but no it doesn't necessarily protect them. Come back for future installments for an analysis of your situation.

Bill Roberts

3:31pm • #3
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Lenn, Of course they'll sue you, and of course they'll win. Too many people fail to grasp the liabilities of real estate.

Real estate brokers are perceived as having money and are therefore a target for hungry lawyers, just as real estate owners are.

Bill Roberts

3:34pm • #4
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Bill, are you going to post "part two" on your outside blog like the Real Estate Tomato?  Just kidding.  I'm looking forward to reading more.

Frank Jewett

3:37pm • #5
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Frank, right now my "outside blog" is Localism. I hope it works. More is coming.

Bill Roberts

3:48pm • #6
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Bill - I keep umbrella policies and healthy ones at that.  I know many people tell you the first thing you need to do is go LLC.  Well, that is an excellent thing to do but are you keeping the LLC current or are you leaving it vulnerable to penetration from a good attorney?  Sadly, many don't even know what I mean.

And lastly, just because the property is in an LLC doesn't mean you are protected, anyway.  Example:  You agree to meet Mr. Prospective Tenant at your LLC property.  While showing Mr. T your LLC home you hear him fall down the stairs behind you. 

Ooops.  Now you are there.  So while the property may have the best LLC ever, and completely up to date, there are still personal liablity issues going on here. 

At some point you do the best you can, smile and get on with the day.  :)

4:13pm • #7
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Chris, What are doing? Trying to spoil the suspense? Actually, I want your imput on this. I will be discussing just those issues you bring up next time.

Bill Roberts

4:47pm • #8
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Sorry.  I'll be quiet now.  :)
5:01pm • #9
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Chris, I'll post the follow up in a couple of days. Then I need you to tear it apart. Thanks.

Bill Roberts

5:08pm • #10
Bill,  Nice post, I am looking forward to reading Part II ... as Lenn started and you mentioned there is a lot of liability that agents do not think about.  As a sales manager I overheard and agent give out a lockbox combination to a potential buyer over the phone (Why, because the property was too far away and he did not want to drive their and meet the person) ... I was floored ... the conversation that transpired was not pretty, can you imagine the potential lawsuit?
10:43pm • #11
DEC
18
2007
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Allen, It is a little off topic. I will address broker liability later. E&O insurance doesn't quite cover all a broker's liability. We must all be proactive in this area.

Thanks for visiting. Please come back.

Bill Roberts

9:18am • #12

Bill:   I really enjoyed this post.  There are too many "buy foreclosed properties NOW!" links and ads out there.  Folks need to have resources in the reserve tank before they dip their toes into these waters.  Nice post.  Keep up the good work!  You gave me a great idea for my own local blog re: case law.  Looking forward to Pt. 2!

10:01pm • #13
DEC
19
2007
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Rich, I'm glad to help. I'll read your post.

This is really about asset protection.

Bill Roberts

9:56am • #14
DEC
28
2007
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Good Series Bill...and unlike your visits to my series, I have read part 1 before preceding to part 2.  Going to Part 2....:)  Perhaps, I should post links at the TOP of my series...hmmm

5:28pm • #15
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Good going, Bill!

Billycherry

10:53pm • #16
DEC
29
2007
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Bill- Now that is scary! I am going to read part 2 now. I hope you have a happy new year. Katerina
12:47am • #17
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Bill, this is a great post for all investors. Been there done that. You have to be ready it can and has happen. I agree with the above mention to have a proper amount of insurance in place. Look at your total holding and there is your number. Protect your self first. The LLC just slow them down. If I was a lawyer that would be the first thing I would attack is the LLC. Insurance is a different story. Looking forward to part two.
6:57am • #18
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Lola, See, I knew you were smarter than me. See you on part two.

Bill Roberts

1:16pm • #19
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Katerina, Yes it is scary. People  that own investment real estate need to be scared.

Bill Roberts

1:18pm • #21
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Frank, Thanks for your kind words.  I've also been there done that.

Bill Roberts

1:20pm • #22
JAN
29
2008
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Great.  I'm coming on the scene here a little late and I see that the LLC idea has already been brought out.  I guess I'll go read post #2.
5:55pm • #23
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Robin, Welcome. No one is ever too late here.

Bill Roberts

6:01pm • #24
FEB
03
2008
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I seen first hand what someone can lose. A family member decided to buy rental property in Fl. and is rapidly losing their shirt.  The first renter trashed the house in six weeks.  People should really know what they are getting into when they buy investment property.
11:15am • #25
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Mary, Those kind of loses must be expected but being sued for a tort is not on most investors radar. Thanks for commenting.

Bill Roberts

11:25am • #26

I too always recommend investors to start their own LLC's for their investment properties.  While it won't necessarily protect them from an intentional tort, it will protect them from most of the things that happen.

 Good Insurance is also always a plus.

11:26am • #27
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Jonathan, Thank you for commenting. I think good insurance is a MUST.

Bill Roberts

11:55am • #28
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04
2008
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Bill - Excellent series. As a 30-year investor, I think I've gotten off pretty lucky so far.

 

6:15pm • #29
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Ken, I hope that means you still have your shirt.

Bill Roberts

7:47pm • #30

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