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Is your house an island? It better be.

By
Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

 

Crawl spaces can be one of the biggest contributors of moisture in the attic space.  Crawl spaces with exceptionally high moisture levels can overwhelm even crawl spaces that have “technically” adequate ventilation.  Moisture as vapor (a gas) will move from the crawl space, through the living space, and end up in the attic where it can condense on the cold roof sheathing.  This moisture vapor can overwhelm an attic that also has “technically” adequate ventilation.

On a recent inspection, I had such a crawl space.   Much of the crawl space had flooded to such an extent that the vapor barrier was either floating or covered with water. 

Flooded crawl space 

The technically adequate ventilation was unable to deal with this much water.  The wooden form-ties had rotted away long ago and evidence of water intrustion is obvious.

water intrusion at form ties

The high humidity was finding its way through the living space and condensing on the underside of the cold roof surface.  Staining and mold or mold-like fungal growth was evident on much of the roof sheathing.

Dark stained areas were actually dripping water 

Condensation was such that water was actually dripping out from between the boards at the stained areas of the soffits at the exterior. 

Water dripping out between roof sheathing 

Homes with this condition can also see lots of condensation on single pane windows or metal window frames as the moisture moves through the living space.  To add insult to injury, if exhaust fans are not used or are not functional and the moisture conditions in the attic will be exacerbated.

So what is the cause of this problem?

Some will say that it is the moisture in the crawl space---but is it really?

The real cause of the problem is inadequate, non-functional or non-existent drainage around the exterior of the home and/or improper termination of roof drains.  When a home is built, the exterior drainage should not be just an afterthought---it is perhaps one of the most important design considerations.  All too often it is not even considered.

Too much water in the crawl space is merely a symptom of the problem.  Some approaches to repairs will attempt to address the symptoms---and this is where the snake-oil salesmen show up at the door.  Attempts to deal with the problem from the interior are almost always going to be less than ideal---whether it is interior foundation sealing approaches, or interior drainage and sump pump installations.  While under some circumstances these approaches may be all that is possible, by far the best approach is to install proper drainage around the exterior of the home such that water can never approach the crawl space (or basement for that matter). 

A good French drain that both collects surface run-off and has a drain at the bottom below the depth of the house footing will essentially leave the house crawl space an “island” higher than the perimeter drainage.  This is particularly effective for homes that back up against steep hillsides with high water tables.  Somehow the house must be isolated from all this water. 

Of course installing proper drains to collect the roof water---independent of the ground water drains---is essential as well.

Many houses are built such that this “island” approach is not possible---these are typically houses that should never have been built where they are in the first place---but that topic is best left for another rant.

 

Charles Buell, Real Estate Inspections in Seattle

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John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Charles - Having seen thousands of homes constructed, I'm convinced that few builders or landscapers understand drainage. And correcting the symptom while ignoring the problem is common.

Apr 02, 2012 10:49 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Robert and Lisa, thanks---and yes I know :)

Anthony, those are the ones with all the windows open :)

Jay, or less :)

John, yes---drainage is either not thought of or poorly thought out on many homes

Apr 02, 2012 11:10 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

What a mess of an attic!  Gutter and grading.  Gutter and grading.  Gutters and grading.  Every time I talk about this subject, I feel like I've already said it a million times... but it's always a new audience.

Apr 02, 2012 12:01 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

In my area we have lots of wet basements.  Not as bad as the one you described, but we corner the market on sump pumps.  I'm sure the mines and underground water, plus horrible drainage have a lot to do with it.

Apr 02, 2012 01:34 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Charles.

This is a great post. we see the challenges every day what a crawl space can mean to a home. The "chimney effect" can make or break a home.Very good pictures and very good insight.

When in Seattle, Washinton Look to Charles for a very good home inspection. 

Congrats on the featured post.

Best, Clint McKie

Apr 02, 2012 10:44 PM
Michael Murphy
Bienvenidos Real Estate - Parksville, BC

Hi Charles being from Seattle I know you know all this. We have the very same problems on Vancouver Island and your synopsis is right on.

Apr 02, 2012 10:49 PM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

Pure an simple, Water is the enemy of houses!

Reubin's got it right, keep the water away and it's not going to be a problem. If you can't then there are some interior solutions that seem to work well but the old saying,"an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." certainly is true when it comes to water problems.

 

Apr 03, 2012 12:00 AM
Michael J. O'Connor
Diamond Ridge Realty - Corona, CA
Eastvale - 951-847-4883

Yet another great lesson from our master inspector!  Thanks for pointing out how a problem in the attic could start in the yard!!

Apr 03, 2012 01:00 AM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

Amazing what a French Drain with some surface drainage and rain gutters can to to mitigate against such a disaster. 

Apr 03, 2012 02:07 AM
Dana Hollish Hill
Hollish Hill Group, JPAR Stellar Living - Bethesda, MD
REALTOR * Broker * Coach

Great post! I love teh pictures I have a few clients I am planning to show these to right away.

Apr 03, 2012 03:25 AM
Marge Draper
Keller Williams Realty Palo Alto - Menlo Park, CA
REALTOR, Keller Williams Realty, Menlo Park CA

Charles,  Very scary!  However, very important to know, too.  I really like the idea of french drains.  Fortunately, we don't get a lot of rain.  

This blog is a perfect illutration of the use of photos to demonstrate a point.  Thank you on several levels.

Apr 03, 2012 04:18 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Charles, I agree.  Most homes I have seen the crawl space is bone dry.  If not there is a problem.

Apr 03, 2012 04:52 AM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Charles, Great information, definitely something to check on in all my houses, the crawl space is not generally a place I check on often but perhaps it is a more important area than I had thought.

Apr 03, 2012 08:00 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I find many people have a hard time understanding water or moisture in the basement, ends up in the attic. Good expalanation of the problems that occur with wet lower levels. 

Apr 03, 2012 08:30 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I don't care what the problem is.  I know enough that I would not buy it.  Thanks for the post.

Apr 03, 2012 08:45 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Charles:

These are good pictures to show a home owner so they get the idea of good drainage.  A french drain is worth the money it costs to put in.

Apr 03, 2012 08:59 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Erica, it seems that in years with unusual amounts of rain/flooding that is when all the poor drainage installations rear their head

Reuben, for sure---over and over again

Bonnie, if your area is very flat---it can be difficult to provide proper drainage---if there are slopes to the property there is usually no excuse.

Clint, thanks---it is all pretty simple really.  We just need to do what it takes

Michael, this scenario plays out all over the country I am afraid---where it rains a lot it just gets exacerbated

Marshall, the only thing I can say about interior solutions is that they are always more expensive than having done it right to begin with

Michael, thanks---just trying to shed some light on a common problem

John--yes, it is not always difficult

Dana, someone needs scaring? :)

Bob, that is the idea--nice dry crawl spaces

Bob, yes, if you are managing properties, someone should be going through these spaces annually.

Jim, yes---I see it quite often around here---don't expect it would be different anywhere else---especially in older houses with poor air sealing.

Gene, you might be the smart one :)  It is all about money---most of the time these things can be remedied.

Evelyn, it they have a place to drain to and can be done without tearing up hardscape, they can usually be done quite inexpensively.

Apr 03, 2012 09:44 AM
Wayne Jackson
Lakeshore Realty 208-714-4109 - Hayden, ID
North Idaho Realtor, Serving Coeur dnullAlene and Hayden Lake

Charles, Thanks for the post, we need to be reminded of these things now and then.

Apr 03, 2012 02:59 PM
Dorte Engel
RE/MAX Leading Edge - Bowie, MD
ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland

Dear Charles,

Very scary.

Apr 04, 2012 12:45 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Wayne thanks

Dorte, my buyers walked I am afraid

Apr 06, 2012 08:46 AM