A couple of weeks ago a prospective client called me re: refinancing his home for debt consolidation. We spoke for a while about his needs until his wife picked up on another phone -suddenly he became very quiet and asked his wife to hang up and he would explain everything to her when we were done. She asked what he was doing and he again asked her to hang up. After she complied, he went on to say that his wife wanted to move to Florida, but he loved his large house here in Columbia, SC and wanted to stay - even though they could not afford to keep it. 

 I asked him if his wife would need to be on the loan and he explained that the home was in her name only and she would need to be on the new loan as well  - at this point all the red lights  were flashing inside my head  and I explained to him that she would need to be involved in the aplication process from the beginning. He then requested that I speak to his Financial Planner(FP) to get all of their information and if the FP thought it was a good idea, then they would present it to his wife. This man was very nice, so I agreed to call the FP and left a message for him. 

 

The next day, the FP called me back with a little bit of an attitude asking why I was trying to take advantage of an elderly person  and how did I contact his client. I explained that his client called me from one of my ads and that I was performing what I was required to do by South Carolina Law when someone applies for a mortgage loan - take a complete application and pull the credit in order to make a educated decision if this mortgage loan would be a benefit for the client or not - since we are not in the habit of making loans that do not pass the South Carolina Benefit Test. He thanked me for my professionalism and apoligized. He actually had been helping the client through a number of life issues, had become very frustrated with the progress, and had them place their large home on the market since they only lived in about 1500sqft of thier 4600sqft home. While taking the application, it became clear that due to situations beyond their control, their income could no longer support their current home and any refinance consolidation scenario would actually cost them more per month.

I called the client with the results of the application and explained the reasons why keeping his current home would not be a good financial idea due to his current situation . I did not realize that his wife was on the other phone and was a little startled when she said, "Thank you for doing the right thing. You were one of three Loan Officers my husband contacted and the other two are trying to sell us on bad loans."

Yes, I could have manipulated the Benefit test by just saying they were refinancing from an ARM to a Fixed Rate and just closed them as Stated or No Documentation. Even though the Commision would have been great on this loan - I'm glad I did the right thing. Now I know the client will not be regreting their decision and will more than likely even refer business to me.

Sometimes it is hard, especially on a purchase transaction, to put a damper on someone's idea of the American Dream when they are so emotionally attached to the outcome; however, it is our responsibility as Real Estate Professionals to  make sure we are not  placing our clients in financial harms way.

 
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34 Comments on To Loan or Not To Loan - That is the Question

JAN
02
2007
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Good job Brian, I hope they take your advice and don't get roped in by another LO looking for a commission. Sounds like they definitely need to downsize.
5:28pm • #1
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Brian- I also want to tell you good job.  Very easily you could have taken advantage of the situation.  Now hopefully with your voice and the FP's voice they will do what is best for them.  Not what they emotionally want to do since they are so obviously attached to the house.  :(
6:01pm • #2
There are some who just cross the T's and dot the I's and as long as their behind was covered they would close the loan. It is good to see when people put other peoples needs before themselves, even when not legally obligated or having a fiduciary duty to them.
Mikey
6:02pm • #3
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Great Job Brian, this is the kind of things that make me so proud of doing what we do.   Thank you for your heart felt commitment to help people.   Great Post!

6:09pm • #4
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Good Job Brian! This is how I conduct my business in California with my clients. We need to look out for their benefit and not solely ours for the sake of business...

Happy Holidays!

Scott

6:35pm • #5
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Brian, I commend you on your honesty and professionalism.  These folks are at an age where decisions become more difficult for them not to say how difficult a move would be.  Your mama would be proud of you!!!!!
6:51pm • #6
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Brian, I had three Borrowers who wanted to refi in the last two months that I had to tell them that it did not make sense.  Two had interest rates in the 5's and were just looking to reduce their payment, and one barely had enough equity to cover the closing costs.  In each case though I got the feeling that they were just going to keep on looking.  They will probably find someone that will put them into a Neg Am loan and they will be happy because the payments were lowered, that is until it starts to adjust.
6:57pm • #7
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wow.  It's absolutely refreshing to see someone who walks the walk and doesn't just talk it on Sunday mornings.  you're setting an awesome example by just doing the right thing.
7:17pm • #8
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Nice Brian...You can go to sleep at night knowing you did the right thing...sleep well...you deserve it.
8:19pm • #9
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Nice work! Integrity seems to attract other good stuff.

and thanks for stopping by my blog!

8:31pm • #10
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Nice work! Integrity seems to attract other good stuff.

and thanks for stopping by my blog!

8:32pm • #11
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Brian, a great article and a testament to you as well. Honorable business practices never go out of style.
8:34pm • #12

Brian,

 Great way to start off the New Year.  Honesty is the best policy.

 

 

9:04pm • #13
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Congratulations on making the right decision. It sounds like they are stgruggling with the issues themselves, and certainly don't need some unscrupulous lender to take advantage of them rather than seeing them move forward to better their financial circumstances.
9:25pm • #14
Excellent work! Props! My brokerage has hired some knowledgable folks to come in and give a class on mortgage fraud in a week or so (how to avoid it not how to do it!) and I am really looking forward to the class. But something that needs to be touched on as well...is exactly what you did. There may be nothing illegal about what the other lenders where trying to do, but it is immoral and unethical to take advantage of people, I wish more people would take this to heart, lenders and REALTORS!
11:19pm • #15
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Good for you Brian.  We need more like you that are honest.

Ken

11:27pm • #16
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Brian,

Thanks for the post. A wonderful example of a true professional. It is always about meeting the needs of the client. It's the right thing to do.

11:44pm • #18
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Sounds like you did the right thing - doing the right thing can cost money - but doing the wrong thing can cost more!

11:59pm • #19
JAN
03
2007
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You did the right thing.  The sad thing is two other agents were willing to stick it to them.

1:00am • #20
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Congratulation on being professional, too often the elderly are taken advantage of.  You took the extra step to speak with the FP, thus getting the full story, these people were on the brink of financial disaster refinancing would have pushed them over the edge.
4:44am • #21
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Brian,

Let me sum it up in three words......Kudos to You!

8:02am • #22
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Broker Bryant - Thank you. I hope they take the advice too.

Debi - Thank you. He is so emotionally attached to the house since they have made it their home for 20 years.

Mikey - Unfortunately there are those kind of LO's around - I just like being able to sleep peacefully at night. 

Blanca - Thank you. I like the way you said that - I like being proud of what I do too - not just an order taker, but an Adviser as well.

Scott - Thanks. I could not agree with you more. I hope you and your family had a Happy Christmas Season as well.

Diane - Thank You. It's funny that you would say that - A close 2nd to WWJD is WWMD (What Would Mama Do?)

George - I don't blame you - those Neg AM loans would have only been a very short fix to a very big fall!

Leigh - Thank you for the kind words. 

Monika - Thank you - in fact I slept so well last night,  I woke up late this morning!

Joeann - Thank you and you are welcome.

Mark - Thank you for you comment.

Louis - Thank you. You are correct - honesty is always the best policy (unless your wife asks you if she looks fat!)

Jeff - Thank you. Unfortunatley there is no lack of LO's willing to give our industry a bad name

Trevella - Thank you. I'm glad your broker is not teaching how to do mortgage fraud! ;-D

Ken - Thank you. In this business, there are a lot of opportunities to do the wrong thing - but it is always better to be able to live with yourself and know that you are helping people.

Ginger & Roger - Thank you. Actually, our conversation did turn to God(THE Light) -  I was praying that the client would  submit to God's Will and the client was praying that God would submit to the client's will.

William - Thank you. Unfortunatley, the client thought he needed to stay in his house instead of downsizing.

Tony - Thank you. How true!  I definitley don't want to ruin my ability to make future commissions by cashing in on someone's emotions and ruining my reputation. The complaint of bad service travels at least 10 times faster that the testimony of good service.

Randy - Thank you. It is sad -what's even sadder is that some Mortgage brokers are training their LO's to take advantage of folks when they are down.

Jennifer - Thank you. Yes, the FP is about to pull his hair out as he sees everything he has been helping them and working towards may come crashing to the ground if they do the loan with the other LO's.

Ron - Two words  - Thank You! 

 

 

9:39am • #23
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Honesty isn't the best policy - its the only policy.

 

Pomegranate! Cool, I've never had that one! :) 

2:41pm • #24
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Christopher - You are correct.The only time I'm not honest is if my wife has asked me question where there is no correct answer that will keep me from getting a frying pan bounced off of my noggin.

What is an Elderberry? :D 

2:48pm • #25
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Brian, you are a wise man! LOL
3:02pm • #26
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Thank you Blanca. I just wish I would have learned that pearl of wisdom sooner - I have a permanet bumpy noggin now and I can never go bald since small children would weep at the sight! LOL!
3:49pm • #27
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I find that most people do not realize that we are legally obligated in most states to process an application if a customer so chooses to apply.  I am glad to clarified that in your blog.

As I always say, I have to be able to sleep at night.  Sounds like you operte the same way. Kudos to you

4:51pm • #28
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Brian.... I guess I will have echo the comments in here and say..... great job in sticking to the basic morals that can get you referrals.
9:50pm • #29
JAN
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2007
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Brian, ...Doing the Right thing. Gee, what a novel idea, especially in today's business climate, where there is no right or wrong, no absolutes, no ethics. Doing what's right isn't always the most popular stance, and isn't usually the most profitable one either. But it IS the Right one....
1:32am • #30
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Ann - Thank you. If I could only get my 3 year old to sleep thru the night - then I'll really be sleping good!

Jeff - Thanks - I guess :D

Rich - Amen Brother.

 

9:21am • #31
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19
2007
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The dictionary defines integrity as adherence to a code of especially strict moral code of conduct.  I define integrity as what you do when no one is looking and you have to make a moral judgment to confront.

As realty professional your character is important in representing the BEST interest of a buyer or seller in a real estate or loan transaction.  I suggest you allow your integrity to walk before you and not in your shadow.
12:50am • #32
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Ntsike - I completely agree - thank your for commenting.
2:53pm • #33
NOV
22
2007

Hello Brian,

You most certainly did the right thing, there are so few of us good LO's that operate on the clients best interest not our paychecks. Keep up the good work and always remember every thing runs in a full circle.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Ron

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