Girl at ComputerEasy answer: YOU DO.  From the moment you write and publish an original article, it is copyrighted and protected as your intellectual property. 

The copy and paste feature along with loads of content all over the internet makes it very easy for sploggers to steal work and publish it as their own.  Even the RSS feeds that are meant to make it easier for your readers to keep up with your blog can work against you if a splogger syndicates your feed as his own.  This is more common than you might think.  (Happened to a bunch of us here on Active Rain recently!)

How can you protect yourself?  There are a couple easy ways.  One is setting up Google Alerts.  These are free and will search for the key words of your choice, such as the name of your blog or phrases you might use often in your blog, such as “real estate” with the name of your city or area.  (Some people use quirky words or phrases in their blogs to set off Google Alerts as an added protection.)  It’s a good idea to also have a Google search of your name. 

Copyscape is a low cost service that reads your entire site and keeps searching the internet for work that is similar to yours.  They’ll alert you if they find a page that has a suspicious amount of similar words.  Changing around little bits of your work won’t hide it if you’re protected by Copyscape.  I use it and love it, and it has already alerted me to plagiarizers and thieves.  I feel like my blog has a guard dog.  Even using their banners on your site may protect you from someone who might have thought you looked like a nice target.  (This works in much the same way that a security system sign can protect your home.)

If you are plagiarized, act quickly.  Send a cease and desist letter to every contact you can find on the offending site.  You ARE protected under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act  and you CAN have their site removed from search engine results, effectively making them invisible. 

I should note that not everyone who uses bits of your posts is using you.  A site that uses a few lines of your post as a teaser, then gives a link to your blog to finish reading is doing you a favor.  Digg, Stumbleupon or Technorati are valuable services that can send people to your site.  Blogroll links are fabulous.  If a reader likes what you write about, they'll probably be interested to know what you like to read as well.  Tell 'em, pass on some link love. 

Any site that uses your entire post is not your friend.  Hiding links, not using your name or the name of your blog or changing the author information to look like they’ve written the post is stealing, plain and simple.  Publishing your entire post leaves no reason at all to visit your site.  They have effectively jumped in between you and your reader.

*** IMPORTANT UPDATE!!!  Tricia Jumonville shares the following with us, and I didn't want it to disappear in the comments:

One quick correction - from the moment you write and fix the article (or any other writing) in permanent form (on your computer counts, per the U.S. Copyright Office), it is copyrighted.  You don't have to publish it,  register it, put a copyright symbol on it, or anything else - it's automatic from the moment of creation.

Thank you, Tricia.  We needed to hear that.

 

119 Comments on Who Owns What You Write? *UPDATED*

DEC
21
2007
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Hi there lady, I'm simply enjoying my coffee this morning at a leisurely pace and wanted to say "thank you" for this clarifying post on plagiarizism.   (Can we just call it stealing???) 
7:10am • #1
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SARAH - Thank you for sharing this.  I have started looking into some of these things recently, and will probably call you at some point after the new year to get some more details on things.  You have been a great protector of blogs (mine included), so I hope that people take your warning seriously.  Thanks for sharing this.
7:13am • #2
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Thanks for the post It was very intersting and informative. I will try the googler approach to see what happens and to see if I need to go further
7:13am • #3
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Sarah..I like the word "sploggers" ...never heard it used before.  I'm assuming that it's a cross of spamming and blogging....very descriptive!  Good information-- Thanks.
7:14am • #4
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Sarah - That is some terrific advice. So what do you do if someone syndicates your feed as your own? What a pain in the neck. I hope whoever it was got punished for it.
7:15am • #5
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Sarah, this needs to be said over and over again, thanks.
7:17am • #6
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Charlie - Google Alerts are also pretty good for telling you how quickly Google is reading your posts.  I have an alert for the name of my outside blog and now I know it's getting read by Google within hours of my posts.  Used to be a lot longer. 

Adam - I am not an expert but I'm learning more all the time!  I just wanted to send out a simple post on the basics because this has been such a problem, and it will only grow.  My most recent plagiarizer's site was just shut down.  We CAN fight back and it works!

Kris - Hi!!  :o)!!  Enjoying my coffee too and wanting to escape work a little early.  That could happen if I would actually DO the work on my desk instead of Twittering and blogging, huh?  Stealing is a fine word for it, and easier to spell.  

7:17am • #7
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hmmm "sploggers" . . . seems to have caught on. :)

Last month I got a site banned from technorati and prohibited from selling google ads on their splog that was stealing my content.  Recently i did file a complaint against another splogger that will resurface some where else.  He has a track record of breaking rules and acting innocent.  

7:17am • #8
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Sarah,  Thanks for the info and turning me onto Stumbleupon.  I'm heading over there now.  Have a great holiday!
7:23am • #9
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Hi Sarah,

Good morning, its too bad we have to protect our content, but nice to know how we go about doing so. Thanks :)

 

7:24am • #10
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Teresa - And you've taught a lot of us by example how to protect ourselves and have fun doing it.  Thank you.  :o)

Missy - You are very welcome.  This bugs the crap out of me, if you don't mind me saying.

Bill - That's when you start with the cease and desist letters.  Be firm and study up before you write, the information on the Copyscape site is a good reference.  They ARE stealing and search engines do not encourage that, so fight back and win!!

Faith - I've decided that term was invented by Teresa Boardman and she should win an award for it.  Perhaps Bob Carney or Cheryl Johnson can make one for her. 

7:24am • #11
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Suzanne - Good morning!  I'm getting better about protecting my stuff and learning how to fight back.  It feels good to stand up for yourself and hopefully keep someone else from getting hurt.  

Marc - I hope you have a great holiday, too!  (If you learn cool stuff over there, report back!)

7:27am • #12
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Sarah, thanks for the info about Stumbleupon and Technorati, I love the ARers that share great info .. and you are very kind to continually do so... Merry Christmas to you and your family.
7:36am • #13
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One quick correction - from the moment you write and fix the article (or any other writing) in permanent form (on your computer counts, per the U.S. Copyright Office), it is copyrighted.  You don't have to publish it,  register it, put a copyright symbol on it, or anything else - it's automatic from the moment of creation. 

I must say that this post makes me wonder, "Oh, Lord, what did I miss, what's happened now to stimulate this?"  Our schools have a lot to answer for if knowledge of copyright law is this lacking in the world.  And a lot of parents have a lot to answer for as so many people don't seem to have gotten the "you don't use something belonging to someone else without their permission" idea when growing up.  Sheesh!  

Hey!  More blogs here, Sarah!  I've noticed fewer, and I miss you!  (/demanding tone) ;-)

 

 

7:54am • #14
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Now I wonder what spurred you to write this post:)
7:55am • #15
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Great information, Sarah!  And I'm still upset that devil blogger stole someone else's information for DC! 
7:56am • #16
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Patricia - If I were stealing content for DC, I certainly would have stolen yours.  I hope that gives you some comfort.  ;o)

Neal - :oD!

Tricia - THANK YOU for that correction!!  If you don't mind, I will copy and paste that bit to my article in an act of plagiarism ... KIDDING.  I will QUOTE you with proper credit because I don't want that to get lost in the comments.  I have written less her lately, AR seems to have lost a lot of the fun, people everywhere hurting each other ... I'm playing a lot more "out there" and finding it to be a wonderful place.  Thanks for missing me!!  :o)

7:59am • #17
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Wonderful Information - Thanks for sharing, Sarah! 

Forgive me for asking here instead of searching guidelines - what do we do if we see such an event occur here on AR?

8:29am • #18
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Sarah - Once again you have made us stop and think....sploggers -  an-acronym for; stolen, plagiarized, our own, good, gallant, efforts, readers, subscribe to

Thank you for the good information to help stop these theives.

8:47am • #19
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Thanks for posting this, Sarah!  While we my not need to say copyright, it doesn't hurt - there are people out there reading who don't know everything you just said about when we own what we write.  An agent I mentored for almost 20 years proudly emailed a link to show me her new blog - with one of my posts copied verbatim... she really didn't understand when I got upset.  It was the end of a long beautiful relationship! 

And I'm using the copyscape logo on my posts, as well - I see you're not doing that... you must feel it is superfluous?

10:18am • #20
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Margaret - I have the Copyscape logo on my outside blog.  I should have it here too, as I do have Copyscape protecting this blog as well.  Sorry about your friend.  A former manager instructed us in a meeting how to copy and paste and told us not to copy from "locals", but from other states.  When I said that was still plagiarism she gave me an icy glare and moved on.  Fun.

Judy - OOOOH, LOVE THAT!!!  LOL!

Matthew - I'm not sure what we're really SUPPOSED to do when we're plagiarized here.  I flagged the post and notified others that had been ripped off. Then I keep a close eye on anything else they write and check for more plagiarizing.

10:39am • #21
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A post like this is good for two reasons: it educates other Rainers, and it creates a sense of 'we look out for our own.' Nice ALT tag! Images are another copyright issue. I've see several posts throughout the Rain where an image still has the copyright notice attached to it. This is far more difficult to monitor, but is still a violation.
10:41am • #22
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John - Good point!  I also have a notice about my pictures on my outside blog.  I take the time to drive around to get local pics and spend a lot of time and effort on it -- I don't like the idea that others would just take my stuff.  You can change the picture to a graphic that clearly states this is stolen material.  Teresa Boardman is really creative in this way and teaches sploggers that stealing from her is not in their best interests.
10:51am • #23
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Sarah - I have a couple of questions.  I had looked at the Copyscape site previously, and it looked like they required payment on a "per page" basis.  Would this be for each individual post on our AR blogs, or is the entire blog considered to be one page?  Also, I have tried more than once to claim my AR blog on Technorati, but it was not successful.  My outside blog was very easy to claim.  Is there some issue with claiming the AR blog since all of them appear on the same primary domain?  If you don't know, that's fine.  I just thought it would be worth asking.
12:10pm • #24
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Sarah - A  very helpful post.  I have been neglect about following up on the possibility of others stealing my material.  I will definitely update my practices.  Thank you for the nudge.
12:41pm • #25
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Great Resource Sarah - we had to send out a letter once to an Agent who was using our name to gain increased rankings!

We are bookmarking your post as it has some helpful things we were not aware of

Thanks and Happy Holidays to you & your family too

Sincerely,

Grace Safrin

12:57pm • #26
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Grace - You are so popular!  :o)!!  People want to steal GOOD stuff, be honored!  Happy holidays to you and yours, too! Someday I must write about our fish Amazing Grace.  You might like it.  :o)

Randy - You should at least do a spot check.  I've never thought any of my stuff would be worth taking but it keeps happening.  You didn't do all that work as splogger charity!

Jason - Not sure about either, so let's see if anyone else comes along and tells us.  Anyone??  (You might want to post this question, Jason!)

1:30pm • #27
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Hi Sarah - I did already know that the moment you create something, it's considered copyrighted.  I've been a Lenn Harley devotee for many years now from other forums, and she taught us well.  However, I don't think I've ever checked to see if anyone else is using my posts.  I don't think anyone would be interested enough in those to do that.

This info can't be said enough - thanks for writing about here, and telling us about Stumbleupon, CopyScape, and others.  I've haven't checked those out as yet, but will.

Ann

3:25pm • #28
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Hey Sarah.  Good information here.  I will check back to read your future writings.  Thank you
3:29pm • #29
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Great information and links. I knew about Google Alerts, Copyscape and DMCA, but you spelled everything out in a very easy-to-understand manner. 
3:36pm • #30
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Even if you are doing the person a favor?  Geesh!
3:39pm • #31
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Good information. As we get more bloggers, plagiarism is becoming more of an issue. It seems to crop up a few times each week here on AR. I'm still waiting for the day that my stuff is good enough to steal!
3:41pm • #32
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LOL at Bob.  Geeze, I feel like i just landed at the airport in a diffrent country.  What did I miss 'round here?
3:43pm • #33
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Hi Sarah!  Nice resource for us all to know, and I have been wondering about whether or not I needed to formally copywrite my articles.  THANK YOU!  :  ) 

Good to "see you" Sarah!  "Marry Happy" to you and your family!

3:44pm • #34
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sarh, Everything I write I steal from my alter ego. Does that count? I actually had someone leave a comment on one of my recent posts calling me a splogger. Not sure what he/she was talking about but since it's about me it must be good:)
3:55pm • #35
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great post, I'm bookmarking.
4:06pm • #36
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I've noticed some agents who copy entire press releases or sales charts (with Trendgraphix copyright notices still on them!) and paste them into their AR blog with a brief summary paragraph at the top.  Seems like a clear violation of copyright, yet this practice has been allowed to continue for months.

4:47pm • #37
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Thanks for all of the great links and the clarification!
5:01pm • #38
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Diane - You're welcome!  Have a Merry Christmas, Diane!  :o)

Frank - Youch!  Have you flagged them as plagiarism or contacted them about it?  Sometimes people don't know, but that's no excuse under the law.  (With our code of ethics, I'm always surprised when agents STILL think it's OK to steal.)

Karl - Thanks!  :o)

Bryant - You, a splogger?!  No way!!  Someone is confused.  (Not you this time!)  ;o)  I hope you and Mom have a great Christmas in the new place.  

Deborah - No, you do NOT need to formally copyright your articles, because you did just by writing them!  Ta-da!  Don't you love it when life is easy?  Now just stay alert and don't let anybody take your stuff.  Merry Happy to you and yours, too!

Chris - You miss nothing.  We don't let interesting stuff happen when you're gone.  We wait.

Wayne - ALL our stuff is splogger-worthy.  When it happens, be flattered for just a moment, then get mad and do something about it!  ;o)

Bob - The world is such a confusing place, I know.

Lisa - I adore simple.  I seriously do.

Donald - Don't be expecting much!  Most of the time I'm just goofy.  I warned you!

Ann - I never thought anyone would think my stuff was worth taking, but it keeps happening!  You've got GREAT local content -- better check it out!  (And Merry Christmas to you and Bear!)

5:16pm • #39

Sarah,  Thanks for the information.  I am saving this blog as a reference.

5:55pm • #40
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Great post Sarah.  Keep pounding it. 

That way, when someone steals one of my images and I pursue damages, and I will, in the $Thousands of Dollars, they can't claim they didn't know any better. 

By the way, add the below tag and your article will be included in the community support area.

active rain community support

6:32pm • #41
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Sarah - great post - I'd like to suggest a follow-up tutorial because my articles are "stolen" everyday on frame sites just to sell ads with NO links to me and usually no credit - Grrrrr

I'd love to hear from Teresa Boardman (maybe the Google Alerts will bring her back)  or someone else a step by step tutorial on reporting plagarizers and getting them banned - Please - what a great Christmas Present!!!

Jason - I paid for copyscape - the way I understand it is I pay to check my pages to see if anyone has copied it - so you can check per article and it shows all the occurances. When I've used it it's a very manual process. So I guess you have to check each article a few days after it's published for highest hits from "the scrapers"

Sarah - You go girl - glad it was featured - hope lots of people see it!!   

6:41pm • #42
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Sarah,  Great post.  It is painful to see your work being used by someone else. 
6:55pm • #43
Sarah ~ Thanks for the tidbits. Another great tech tool to toy with, Oh boy! Very good information.
8:10pm • #44
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We use google alerts all the time. I think Monika uses Copyscape. Very nicely done, as usual. LOL
8:12pm • #45

Thanks for picking up this banner! Many bloggers/Realtors think they're doing a service to consumers by just "cut and pasting" a piece on their blog or newsletter. Amazing how they think it's okay. I have found scores of bloggers right here using my columns (http://commonsenserealestate.blogspot.com and http://www.realtytimes.com). Seems they think as long as the technology enables you to move copy around - it must be okay.

I sent an email to AR HQ regarding this and haven't heard back, yet....hello?

8:20pm • #46
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Hi Sarah, Bob here, Great post again... just one question, we've had copyscape up on our blog on A/R and it seemed to be having some sort of conflict. Maybe we've got too many widgets? Had this issue happen to us with pictures at least once already also. Using Google Alerts as well. Thanks and keep up the great information to remind us that it can happen to anyone in here.  Oh and Merry Christmas
8:21pm • #47
Thank you for the good information, you have made me stop and think about these points.
8:31pm • #48
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Sarah, you're an Active Rain Educator.  Thanks for blogging.

Mike in Tucson

8:40pm • #49
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good to know.. okay and what's with the "peas".....:::scratchin' head::::
8:40pm • #50
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Sarah -- thank for the useful information.  It is never going to stop - there always will be those who try to take the easy path.  Thanks for the links.

8:46pm • #51
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You see, this is why I like active rain so much, I learn so much from everyone on here.  This is better than a sales meeting.  Thanks for sharing this information and for being a featured post. 
8:58pm • #52
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This is crazy. I can't believe people stoop to stealing. It's crazy!

9:21pm • #53
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Thanks for sharing this information. Helpful and good stuff. All the best for this holiday season.
9:27pm • #54
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Hey, Sarah.  It's great to see you writing on this subject as this is a comprehensive list and something I've been meaning to look into.  I've still not made it over to copyscape...it's been on my to do list...guess I better put it on a goal sheet. 
10:28pm • #55
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You'd think I'd listen.  lol  Note to self: sign up for Copyscape.  Thank you!  again! 
11:59pm • #57
DEC
22
2007
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I will have to go check out those resources right now!  Thanks for all the info.  I did wonder if any protection was needed and how to get it... now, thanks to this post, I know!
5:54am • #58
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WOW Sarah, Thanks so much for the information...I'll look into it .... I know that this is going to be a problem.... and it's great that you've helped me to become aware of it... Thanks....
6:37am • #59
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Sarah, Thank you for posting this and giving us this information. I know by using the copyscape it really has really helped
7:42am • #60
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Howdy Sarah

Thank you for taking the time to write this fine post with very good info. I'll sign up with Copyscape.

Have a good one

Dale

8:29am • #61
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Sarah, Thanks for this.  I like the idea of imbedding "quirky" words and using goole alerts. I think I might try that.
9:06am • #62
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I'm going to copy this for my blog... I mean..  never mind. 

Seriously, it's a good post.  Thanks for putting up good info.   

10:34am • #63
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good advice, and yes you own what you write and any any pictures you take on your own property or from public property, even if it were something that somone else owns what you took a picture of.
10:36am • #64

 

 

thanks for the information, to bad there are word thieves out there.

12:20pm • #65

 Good post, wow copyscape looks good, me likey. thanks BR

(here is alil C/P of my own:-)

Christmas for some,Hannukah for others

Festivus

For the rest of us!

Happy Festivus!

Festivus for the rest of us
1:30pm • #66
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I guess the secret to not worrying about copyright is to write crap. But then again, perhaps that is why they infringe on others copy.
3:39pm • #67
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Hi Sarah!  Great ideas - thank you!  I just set up some more Google alerts!
11:12pm • #68
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23
2007
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Thank you for such a thought provoking question
12:00am • #69
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Great post indeed, as the most prolific online article writer in the history of mankind with some 13,000 articles on the Internet now. Nothing irks me more than to have AdSense websites pop-up and steal my articles and post them, while removing my byline and calling it their own. Something needs to be done about that. - Lance
3:38am • #70
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Great advice and much needed. Thanks. Merry Christmas
8:27pm • #71
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Hey Sis - an important post that I thought should be included in this week's Week in Review!

Merry Christmas!
Ann

10:08pm • #73
DEC
24
2007

This is also true for photography. And it is important to keep in mind that even though you may pay a professional photographer to shoot your listing, you don't 'own' the photos unless the photographer SIGNS a document transferring copyright to you.

This also means that if you don't sell the house and another agent gets the listing, they are in violation of copyright if they use any of your photos in their listing sheet, marketing materials or advertising. 

My clients receive a license to reproduce the photos in any medium with no time limit for the sole purpose of marketing the listing and their business.

That means if they want to write a book or sell a DVD on how to make money in real estate and want to use my photos, a royalty needs to be paid on the sales of the item.

7:57am • #74
A very helpful post.  Thanks for the information.
12:17pm • #75
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We're back to this again, Sarah?  Alright, that does it.....I am lifting something you've written and taking possession.  You tempted me one time too many!  ;-)

Merry Christmas to you. 

11:43pm • #76
DEC
25
2007
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Thanks again, Sarah   Hope this is your best Christmas ever !
9:15am • #77
DEC
26
2007
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Well unless you copyright your blog and inserts you do not own it.  Interesting that my mls now copyrights all of the uploaded photos!
12:50am • #78
121,000 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

WRONG per the U.S. Copyright Office, as noted in Sarah's blog above.  Again, you have to do NOTHING to copyright your blog (or any other work); it's automatic from the moment you create them.  


7:52am • #79
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Copyright laws are there to protect the freedom to express yourself in written form without the fear that someone else will take credit for it ro use in a way that you are not agreeable with. So you do not have to do anything to be protected by copyright laws.

That being said, most of what I write on my blogs is done in such a way that if others do copy, hopefully they will link back to me and it becomes viral. While my stuff is copyrighted, there are few items that I have posted that I expect I would want to fight over if it came down to it.

Ed Nailor - Charlotte Mortgage Loans

8:19am • #80
DEC
27
2007
117,379 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Wow what an informative post, great...and the comments were equally as interesting.  Thank you for sharing Sarah.
9:04am • #81

Hey Sarah, I'm new to ActiveRain, about three days new. What is a splogger? Great article by the way.

 

Joe Cline
Coldwell Banker Austin Texas

1:07pm • #82
DEC
28
2007
249,117 Points 9 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

It's so nice to know our thoughts and ideas, plus the way we arrange them on paper or online, belong to us. thank you for sharing your information and time with AR members. 

Come back and play with us once in awhile.

4:08am • #83
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Sarah,

Plagiarism is becoming a real issue here in AR and elsewhere and this information is invaluable to the serious blogger. You can never be too comfortable out in the big world with your posts and the piranhas.

5:20pm • #84
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Esko - I'm getting walloped with it left and right and I don't even say anything of any real value!  Imagine if I were really working this thing and had stuff worth stealing!!

Norma - :o).  Thanks, I think I will.  (Carnac is coming, I couldn't stay away!)

Joe - Splogger: Spamming, thieving, wanna-be blogger.   We're making this whole thing up as we go, it's OK to make up words, too.  (I think Teresa Boardman invented this one.)  BTW, watch link in comments.  I don't mind so much, but some people will throw a fit thinking you're trying to divert business.  Careful with that!

Bob - There's Bob!  Hi, Bob!  :o)

Ed - Just got back from the Panthers/Cowboys game a week or so ago, were you there?  :o)  My stuff might not be worth fighting over, but I'll still do it anyway.  Chances are I'd write for you if you asked, but if you just took I'm going to do what I can to keep you from EVER doing it again.  (Well, not you, but you know what I'm saying.)

Thank you again, Tricia.  (((HUGS)))

Mr. Dolfinger, not so.  Study up, this stuff is important if you're blogging!

Bill - I had a fabulous Christmas, hope you did, too!

Tchaka - What would I do without you, Tchaka?  I love saying your name, Tchaka.  

Jim - You're very welcome!

Jay - VERY good point about ownership of photographs!!  I've taken steps to protect the ones I use on my outside blog, too.  If I spend a lot of time taking them, I don't want someone else to just swipe 'em and use them as their own.  Not fair at all, is it?

Ann - Thank you, Sis!!  That's so sweet of you!  (((HUGS!)))

Nate - Sign up for a bunch of them.  They're free.  ;o)

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Christina - Hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! 

Lance - I suggest seriously kicking some butt.  We don't have to share our toys.  Especially if they don't even ask.

Dionne - I love good questions.  ;o)

Courtney - I need to get creative with a couple more alerts myself.

Gary - Trust me, even when it's crap, people will steal it.  You wouldn't think they would, but they will.

Mr. Festivus - Did you know I'm a Seinfeld fan??

Rick - Word thieves suck, you can say it.  ;o)

James - YEAH you do!!!

Lane - :oD!!!

Dan - I think I could have fun with the quirky word thing.  I already get in enough trouble trying to keep my StatCounter amused.

Dale - Copyscape is fabulous, I hope you like it as much as I do.

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Matt - I'm loving Copyscape and trying to remind myself to have fun with the stinking word thieves.  Gotta get your kicks somewhere, you know.

Donna - You are so welcome!  It's not that hard to protect yourself, but what a pain that we have to, huh?

Kim - YES protection is needed and WAY before you think you really need it.  People are crazy out there!!  Take care of your stuff, you work hard on it.

Maggie - I'm late responding, if you haven't done it already, read that note to self again and DO it!!

Gail - You're welcome!

Natalie - Same as comment back to Maggie -- if you haven't done it yet, DO IT!!

Bob & Carolin - Glad you liked it!

Christy - And they even steal really pointless, silly things.  It's crazy!!

Wayne - This is WAY better than a sales meeting!!  Oh wait -- did they have donuts?  That might make a difference.

Joan - And it's always more fun to do it the hard way, they just don't know!

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Dez - I just saw a lovely picture of you and another fabulous female blogger ... !!  ;o)  Peas are explained in another post, for Susan Reynolds who is battling breast cancer.

Mike - Lol!!  Thanks!

Mohamed - Best to protect your writing before you even think it needs it -- you just never know!

Bob - Hmm, I took down most of my widgets because a couple people said they had trouble getting into my blog from "protected" work computers.  Widgets might have something to do with it, I guess.  I haven't noticed any problems with Copyscape getting through though.  Good question!

Anthony - You may have to mention it a few times.  Stand up for your work!!

Jay - Hope she's covering you, too!!  ;o)

Brian - Tech toys are fun, aren't they??  

Debbie - *Painful!*  THAT'S the word for it!!  (Thanks!)

Cyndee - Check Teresa's Real Estate Weenie blog for some details on handling plagiarizers.  She is the master!!

Lenn - Yes, Ma'am, the tag was added as you suggested immediately after you said to.  I can be taught.  :o)

Jimmy - Glad you liked it!  

6:24pm • #88
DEC
29
2007
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Thanks for the valuable information. This is something I wondered about but I was too busy to look up myself.
2:06pm • #90
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Now I feel protected!  I was the whole time but didn't know it and you have to do something about it.  Thanks for the information.
3:17pm • #91
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Now I feel protected!  I was the whole time but didn't know it and you have to do something about it.  Thanks for the information.
3:18pm • #92
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Now I feel protected!  I was the whole time but didn't know it and you have to do something about it.  Thanks for the information.
3:21pm • #93
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Sarah- You are an amazing resource and continue to be so very generous. Now we don't have to feel helpless. We can do something about if if we feel we are under attack. Thanks! 
4:01pm • #94
Ok, great, but if you found someone who was using your "copywrited" content, are you going to spend the time, resources, and money prosecute? It seems there is SO much info out here on the internet, that alot of stuff just melds together. I would be willing to bet 99% of activerain members are taking, rewording, reformatting, rearranging info found on other websites, blogs, etc... to fit into their articles. Nothing on the net is original except a few good stories. Let's face it, everything else is regurgitated.
9:13pm • #95
DEC
30
2007
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Joseph - YES.  I have enough spare time and an inflated sense of right and wrong that I CAN and WILL hunt down whoever steals from me.  I am not the only one.  The splogger who last stole from me has been run off largely due to the efforts of another person he stole from.  She wouldn't put up with it and knows a lot more about what you can do to fight plagiarism -- he's going to have trouble finding someone to hosts sites for him in the future.  Who wants that kind of trouble?  And just for the record, I rarely write about real estate.  So not a lot of my stuff is anything you'd find anywhere else.  Not that it's any better, it's just different.

Eloise - Yes you CAN do something about it!!  Don't let anybody take the stuff you work so hard on, it's YOURS.  You have great stuff Eloise, only share it if you WANT to.  Make 'em ask FIRST.

Karen - You ARE protected!  Doesn't that feel better?  Now get out there and write without fear.  :o)

Tina - I hadn't looked it much myself until it kept happening to me.  I'm getting much better at protecting my work.  And I expect I'll just get better as I begin to see it as a game of keep away.  ;o)

Tommy - Happy holidays to you, too!  (Watch the links, there!)

2:03pm • #96
DEC
31
2007

I understand if someone blatantly  plagiarized a blog, article, or other piece of writing, it would be copy write infringement. but other then that, everything on the internet is bits and pieces taken, over time, form somewhere else. Unless, it is a personal article about yourself. Everything on the web has gotten so regurgitated  , original content hardly exists.

Personally, I don't have enough time, nor do I really care about it. All the time and effort trying to make an example out of someone can be put to use in a positive way. So, feel free to be the internet police! lol Little good will it do.

12:17am • #97
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For good reason, this is the most commented on post I have seen.  All good information and those of us who don't think criminally just don't think of these things.  But if someone will "steal" ideas and words, what kind of integrity do they have?  The definition of integrity I like is "Integrity is what you do when NO ONE is watching."
2:35am • #98
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Good point, Terrylynn, about the indication of basic integrity.  (Love the definition - I've heard it before, and it is SO right on target!) 

And I've discovered that when someone defends the practice of stealing the work of others (online or off, though defending it online is more common - a sad, sad commentary on the ethics of our times, it seems to me, as I can't remember people being so vehement in the defense of theft of written works NOT online), I'm inclined to go read their blog to see just how original it is.  It more often than not turns out that their blog consists of a good quantity of stolen, boilerplate, posting of forwards that are sent all over the internet, or otherwise not-their-own-work content, which explains their point of view - they don't want to do the work of creating original content and want to benefit from the work of others by stealing it. (I have no problem with the use of copyrighted items with the permission of the original creator and copyright holder - that's what copyright law is for, after all!  But plain old theft - finding something on the internet and lifting it without even asking - is something else again.)  

 

 

7:47am • #99
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Anne - You're very welcome.  :o)

Tricia - I have that same urge, to check out someone's work when I see them defending plagiarism.  I know you know this, I'm just saying -- if you're BLOGGING, you are not just giving information, but also saying how you feel about it, or how you think it will impact your community or whatever.  It's personal, or it's not a blog.  You don't copy and paste your own opinion, you write an original work about your topic.  Am I right?

Terrylynn - I didn't think about any of this stuff until my stuff had been swiped a few times.  With so many blogging Realtors, I wonder how long it will be until they have to include the topic of plagiarism directly into the code of ethics?  Some people need stuff spelled out specifically, don't they?

Joseph - I do not care to be the internet police, but I will defend my own work as best I can.  I don't throw out a bunch of market reports or statistics gathered by others.  I write about my local area and I how I feel about it.  A blog is part journal, or it's not really a blog.  By definition it almost HAS to be personal.  For someone to copy how I feel about something and use that as their own is just wrong.  My last plagiarizer used photos of me, my signature and personal posts, none of which had anything to do with real estate, and used them to fill space for himself on a 50 states kind of site he was modeling after Active Rain -- for his own profit, of course.  

I'm thinking you're reading the wrong bloggers if you think everything online is just regurgitated crap.  The stuff I read makes me think, "Wow, I wish I could get my meaning across so well!" 

12:01pm • #101

Tricia, sarah, and whoever else....

If you would like to go back and reread my comments, I never condoned or defended plagiarism. I've only said that most stuff on the internet is not original, most is regurgitated, and I even said I understand that if someone blatantly plagiarized (like copy & paste) then  that is a  copy right violation. But  to prosecute might be a waste of time, money, and resources. So, if you think that is defending plagiarism, i don't know what to tell you. 

So, feel free to keep track of my blog and posts. I will be out practicing real estate instead of worry about what people are doing online. LOL 

And yes, I think most stuff on the internet is regurgitated and unoriginal. Most of it is taken from other sources. Bloggings about yourself, your life, or an experience are usually the only original things written. Some people have original ideas or have interesting posts, but the majority of them are garbage. 95% of the posts here on activerain are garbage. Yes, there is lots of useful info, but theres lots of garbage.

 So, keep close guard of your activerain blogs. Don't want anyone to steal them. lol

8:29pm • #102

 FYI

Oh, and if you dig a little more deeply, you'll see that even if you blog or write something, it may not be "protected" by copywrite law. AND it may be public domain.

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Joseph, you are WAY off track.  If you study copyright, go to the U.S. Copyright Office website, read the Berne Convention, etc., you'll see that pretty much everything is copyrighted to SOMEONE at the moment of creation. In most cases, it's the original author, photographer, etc.; the exception is when the work is done for hire AND there is an agreement in writing that the employer owns the copyright.  No blog or other written work is automatically in the public domain unless it was written prior to 1978, I believe it is, or unless the copyright holder specifically placed there.

Now, facts and ideas aren't copyrighted, but the specific expression of them is.  Thus, calendars (except for the specific design) aren't copyrighted, but we're not talking about that, are we?  

Photos most definitely are copyrighted from the moment the button is clicked and they are stored on a digital camera.  No question there. 

A blog, by definition, is an expression of original work, though. 

If you're talking about fair use, good luck to you with that one.   

As for worrying about what people do on the internet, I don't spend a lot of my time worrying about car thieves or identity theft, either.  However, if I hear someone defending those as good or even acceptable practices, I'm sure going to disagree with them.  Theft is theft, and calling it something else doesn't change that. 

 

 

9:10pm • #104
JAN
02
2008

Tricia,

Go reread my last post.

Just because your work might  copyrighted at the moment it is created, does not mean it is "protected" by copyright law.

And I don't know where you are coming up with this "defending theft as a good or acceptable practice". I never said anything of the sort. But from your last few posts, I gather that you like to take what people say and twist it around. 

1:55am • #105

Sarah - Thank you very much for sharing this valuable information.  We need to know how to protect ourselves. This is something I need to learn more about.

Happy New Year!

2:19am • #106
For you copyright experts, a market statistic report derived, copy & pasted from your area's MLS website; is it a violation of copyright if you post it in your blog?
11:13pm • #107
JAN
03
2008
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Well, first, with the caveat that most of what's been said here doesn't make anyone an expert on copyright - most of what's been conveyed is really Copyright 101 that anyone should have been taught in school.  That be ing said: 

Depends on a few things.  First, it depends on whether or not you literally copied and pasted it from the MLS itself, using their format. (Information can't be copyrighted, just the expression of that information in specific words or tables or arrangement or whatever.)  Second, it depends on your agreement with the MLS - do they explicitly allow you to copy and paste their tables?  In which case, while they own the copyright, you have the copyright holders permission to use their work in a particular fashion.  (Permission to use it one way doesn't convey permission to use it other ways.)  

So, if you took (derived) information from the MLS and did your own calculations, you'd be free and clear.  If your agreement with the MLS gave you permission to use their tables by copying and pasting, you'd be free and clear.  If the MLS was a governmental body (I don't know that any are, though, nor do I know if there are any that are), you'd be free and clear, because publications by the government are not copyrighted, by statute.  

Plain old copy and paste?  Given all the "it depends", if it were me, I'd ask for permission first unless I knew for a fact that it was okay to use.  Just like I do when I'm looking to reprint an article in the publication that I'm an editor of - check with the publication where it was originally published first, and if they don't own the copyright (and most of them don't, they've just gotten print rights from the author), check with the author.  Never been turned down yet, but I'm covered, ethically and legally.

 

7:58am • #108
Here is a sample cease a desist letter. It's worht noting that sometimes you can contact a splogger's hosting provider and get them taken off the web. Most legit web hosts will have a term's of use policy, and police people who violate it.
8:16am • #109

Tricia,

The reason I ask about copy & pasting an area's MLS market reports is because I see so many people here on activerain doing it. And every MLS that I have seen has a statement similar to,

 

8:41am • #110
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Well, there you go.  Of course, it's copyrighted (copyright notice or no copyright notice - that's not been required since 1989)d; the answer is in each individual MLS's terms of service. So there are no doubt people on here doing that in violation of copyright, as well (that shouldn't come as a big surprise) - we wouldn't know unless we had access to the terms of service of their specific MLS.  Now, title companies sometimes create similar tables and such from the same data regarding closings and make that available to agents for such uses, as a service (and marketing ploy ;-) ) - question would be whether the table came from an MLS or a title company that was doing such.

But even using a title company's tables, I'd be inclined to ask BEFORE using, just to be sure, unless the page or website I got it from said in unmistakable terms that it was available for such use.  

 

8:51am • #111
JAN
04
2008
If these are copyrighted, then they are stealing, right? I am talking about the other agents here that copy & paste from their MLS system. (i.e., reports, etc...)
7:02pm • #112
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Joseph, that's already been answered pretty thoroughly - it depends on their arrangement with their MLS - they could be, they could not be, I just don't know.   Having difficulty getting your point.  Wait.  Are you trying the "But everyone's else is doing it" tack?  Because I've already raised two kids to adulthood and I have my "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would that mean you should, too" badge. ;-) 

 

7:09pm • #113

Tricia,

No, I am not trying  "but everyone else is doing it" tack. You don't see me copy & pasting the MLS reports or other people's work, do you? I was just pointing out that other members here are blatantly violating their MLS's Terms. 

11:34pm • #114
JAN
05
2008
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Very interesting conversation. I hope I didn't miss it somewhere in the billion comments above, but there is one caveat that you need to watch out for. If you are posting on a website, blog or domain that you do not own your content may belong to the site owner if it is specified in the terms of service for the site. For instance, here you automatically give AR permission to use your material anywhere they choose. On Blogger, I believe the terms are that Google actually owns the copyright to the content, and the same may be true of Wordpress blogs unless you have installed wordpress on your own hosting account. This doesn't apply much here, but in some cases if the content you are producing is work product the copyright belongs to your company. In addition, you may lose the copyright or at least full control of content which you submit to article sites.

Nothing significant. Just a little something extra to think about.

Thanks,

Carl Pruitt

 

PS. Also, there is a site http://www.onlywire.com where you can register with more than 20 social bookmarking sites and submit one site to all of them at the same time.

 

1:28am • #115
FEB
24
2008
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Sarah, I stumbled on your site this morning, looking for input on copywriting. THIS IS FABULOUS! I can't express my gratitude enough. I spent weeks trying to search & google & make sense of online copywriting, and was still confused. Your blog & all the comments make it all so clear & much easier to understand. THANK YOU!!

I'm fairly new to the blogging scene, and I went through so much anxiety to just cross that bridge to the blogging world. I've long been a purporter of sharing information for the simple sake of education, because it helps ALL OF US together... if 2 people share their one idea, then each of them has 2 ideas. Anyway, I got to cruising through some of your other blogs and they are simply packed with helpful hints and resources. I am, once again, blown away by the torrents of Active Rain!  Thank you, again for outstanding posts & sharing of resources. Your style, for me, is a model of what I'd ascribe to as a professional in this business. I'm truly a visual learner, and your site is full of movement and animation. Thanks for being a complete inspiration!

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Sarah,

Right click and save...four words that make your life easy and hard at the same time.

...the problem here is those people probably aren't reading this blog-but you can be sure they won't copy it!

Steve

6:25am • #117
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25
2008
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Thanks so much Sarah, that's good to know.  Now that I am getting into this more I have starting thinking about what I should do to safe guard what I write.  I'll get a guard dog too :).  Liz
4:46am • #118
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Liz - You'll feel much better when your guard dog reports that all is well.  And if he senses trouble, you can fix it ASAP.  Good stuff!

Steve - Yep, and too many people prefer the easy way out.  Makes it hard on the rest of us, doesn't it?

Mara - You are so very welcome!  If you wrote it, it's yours.  There's no way someone else can use your stuff without your permission and it just be OK.  

I'm a huge fan of sharing ideas, too -- for exactly the same reason.  Ideas grow when you share them and shrink into nothing if you keep them to yourself.  

Carl - VERY, VERY GOOD POINT!!  If you don't own the site ... you don't control how your work there is used.  (Ahem ... do you own Active Rain?)  Makes sense to have a blog of your own, doesn't it?

Joseph & Tricia - Good morning!  Here, have some coffee.  Donuts, anyone?  :)

Robert - Thank you for sharing that!!  :)

Meg - I still need to learn more myself, but I'm working on it.  Each time I get ripped, I learn.  ;)

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