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Is Your Local Real Estate Market more like a Venti Caramel Macchiato or Coffee Regular?

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605

pngThis post is actually, this is an expansion from the comment I put on  Andrew Lenza’s splendid blog: “What if the Real Estate Market isn’t Local and I’m Selling Bunc.” If you haven’t read it – you should. 

I like to create metaphors out of things that I love.  I love real estate and I also happen to love fine coffee.  There is some Cuban/Spanish blood in my veins – so I guess that’s where the caffeine addiction comes from – and my coffee analogy of local real estate markets.

I agree that the monetary system is a mess - the liquidity crunch is real and that impacts everything to one extent or another.  But, how much that actually impacts housing prices is determined locally. 

Living in Westchester, NY. If you are 20 miles outside Manhattan - things are still pretty liquid because there are enough people with a ton of money out there. Prices have moderated in that they no longer are escalating at double-digit rates, but there aren’t any signs that they are going to drop like a stone either.  Yesterday, yet another article in the New York Times confirmed that the New York City market is in a sweet spot with an article by Christine Haughney.  The New York City market is a seller’s market – due to the favorable exchange for foreigners. For these buyers a low dollar means bargains – even at sky high prices and New York, being what it is continues to be a very desirable location to own real estate. The Westchester market shines warmly in the light of the New York City market.   

Using the coffee analogy, let’s compare the Westchester, NY (venti caramel macchiato) market to the market 300 miles northwest of White Plains, Fulton, NY. Just recently I had the thrill of  introducing a new dog, Tundra, to my canine "family.” I went to a breeder who I know and trust way upstate in Fulton NY.  Fulton is above Syracuse and is a small town surrounded by country homes and farmland. Syracuse is just a few  miles south. The breeder’s home is almost exactly 300 miles from my home in White Plains, NY.  Five hours by car (ROAD TRIP!!!) and just about a couple of worlds away.  png

The currency is the same – the monetary system is the same, but the prices aren't.  You could spend up to $6.00 for venti latte from Starbucks in Westchester.  I didn't look for one, but I doubt that I could even find a Starbucks in Fulton (although there were some on the Thruway near Syracuse.)  The point is that no one is spending that kind of $$ on coffee in Fulton, NY.  The same holds for real estate.  No one is paying $650,000 for a starter home on 0.12 acres in Fulton, NY.  You could probably buy a mansion for that kind of money up there. After all,  you can buy a  storefront property with rentals on the second floor for about $90k in nearby Oswego - try doing that in Westchester - you'd be laughed at.  The market in Fulton and Oswego resembles “coffee regular” that you can buy on any street corner in most cities for under $1.00.

Nothing is going to change that dynamic. I remember being on Zillow a couple of months ago reading a posting by a “buyer” who was literally waiting for housing prices to fall to levels resembling what is currently available in Boise Idaho.  The only problem was tha he wanted a house in San Francisco.  Someone suggested that if he wanted a house that size he more to Boise. His reply was that San Francisco is “where its at!” The problem for him is that many other people  feel the same way. The prices aren’t going to bottom out in the way this buyer (chronic renter)  is hoping – liquidity issues not withstanding.

Brett Noel
Keller Williams - Paso Robles, CA
Good post, thx for sharing, I'll have a hot chocolate :)
Dec 21, 2007 04:56 AM
Chelle Gassan
RE/MAX Regency and Staged Homes VA - Bristow, VA
NOVA Realtor and Stager

I like your reference to Coffee...as I am an addict myself.  I was just out in San Fran, and from what I see, no Boise, ID priced properties.  Their market is doing fairly well, too.  By the time all this negative media catches a clue about the different, local markets, things will change again.

Egg Nog Latte for me...please! 

Dec 21, 2007 05:08 AM
Laurie Mindnich
Centennial, CO

It's pretty safe here (a vacation community) from a disastrous drop- we've already experienced a hit, but it doesn't look as though it will tank the way other areas are.  No comparison from NY to Florida.

I'll have a mocha, with extra whipped cream.

Dec 21, 2007 08:30 AM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

OK - I'm taking orders now....

 

1 Hot Chocolate.....(do you want steamed milk or whipped cream?)

How 'bout that egg nog latte - some nutmeg on top?

For that mocha (which is my FAVORITE) do you want some powdered chocolate or drizzle with that?

Ironically, I ended up at my favorite coffee place  early this evening and got a sugar-free mocha with skim milk - but REAL coffee... mmmm!

Dec 21, 2007 10:24 AM
Debbie Malone
Londeree's Real Estate & Property Management - Lynchburg, VA
From Lynchburg To The Lake (434) 546-0369

I'll take a venti mocha with powdered chocolate please...... Love the title of your blog and great analogy. Though we have three Starbucks, we're still a regular coffee kind of town. (I am a bit miffed that the one and only Dunkin' Donuts went out of business at least ten years ago!)

 

Merry Christmas Ruthmarie and a Prosperous 2008 to you!

Dec 21, 2007 03:32 PM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

debbie - sometimes I think there is a Starbucks on every other corner.  I try to patronize local roasters like Coffee Labs. They sell the roasted beans by the pound - so I can either buy the beans or order up the coffee.  It's always good to support local business!

Oh - your venti mocha with powdered chocolate is waiting! 

Dec 21, 2007 04:54 PM
"Tommy" Decebal
HomeSpector Inc. 516-851-5833 - Farmingdale, NY
Adamescu Long Island NY MASTER Home Inspector

Wish you a Merry Christmas and best wishes for a great year in 2008.

Tommy   New York Certified Home Inspector Long Island NY Nassau/Suffolk Home Inspections

Dec 21, 2007 05:10 PM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY
Thanks Tommy - do you have an order......
Dec 21, 2007 07:33 PM
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Bravo, Ruthmarie. You nailed it. You aptly described what I tried to write. So happy you posted this and I definitely saw the light with the coffee analogy. The New York City market is fairly insulated and will do better with near-record Wall Street bonus money flooding the streets! Go figure?

Hmmm, my order is one cup Black Sambuca, hold the coffee. I'm sleeping tonight. :)

Dec 26, 2007 07:11 AM
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Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY
Ok...will do - I'm practicing to be a barista!
Dec 26, 2007 09:27 AM