At the risk of mixing musical metaphors, we have another sponsor the Reel Big Fish real estate concert as Duane Fouts, formerly of Dan Schwartz realty in Phoenix, joins Zillow as a director of "partner relations."

And by partner, fellow agents, Zillow means us. Even if the company doesn't bring any particular unique value to its side of the partnership outside of fantastical Zestimates and listings inaccuracies that serve as conversation starters when those of us who really sell homes talk to real buyers and sellers.

From the Zillow blog ...

I asked Duane to comment about his new relationship with Zillow:

I am truly excited to be joining the Zillow Partner Relations team. I look forward to working with brokers and industry leaders around the country in an effort to build strong, mutually beneficial relationships. Being able to share the new products and programs that Zillow has in development with brokers, agents, associations and MLSs, is exciting to me. I believe that in the end, if those products and programs make the job of the brokers and agents, who are serving the consumer, a little more efficient and a little easier… it is a win-win for brokers, agents and consumers.”

Except that it's not.

If Zillow really had the slightest interest in the real estate consumer, it would have figured out a way after all of these years to get its Zestimates somewhere close to estimate as opposed to a margin of error of roughly pi to the 23rd. And if Zillow really cared about the consumer, there would be tighter controls over the listings that are displayed on the site so that it wasn't so easy to find alread-sold homes as listed for sale. (Or, for that matter, to see previous marketing descriptions appear on new listings of the same house.)

Of course, if agents had a brain they wouldn't send their listings to Zillow in the first place under the little-known and rarely mentioned concept of "who exactly are you and who authorized you to be here?"

All Zillow really cares about, the extent of its interest in this "partnership", is its ability to separate real estate agents from their advertising dollars. It's much like the relationship between a client and the workers at the Mustang Ranch. One gets the cash, the other presumably gets what it wants and both probably ought to think about a long shower and some penicillin when it's over.

Pay the Borg to become a Premier member and you, too, can appear on a sidebar as a "neighborhood expert." It's the same pitch that was and has been made by Homes.Com, Realtor.Com and countless others. And it's Zillow's sole raison d'etre.

Not that I blame Duane, or former Arizona Regional MLS CEO and now blog-post writer Bob Bemis, or even my own soon-to-be-former-broker-and-only-half-owner, for taking the cash that Zillow's offering in exchange for his soul. All of us have a price and, as the old joke goes, now that we've established what you are we're only haggling about the money.

All I can hope is that my real estate brethren see the light and keep their credit cards in their pocket. If Zillow is to survive in a world without venture capital and keep money-whipping one-time leaders in the industry, the least the rest of us can do is make them develop a legitimate value proposition that doesn't center around taking the cash from short-sighted agents.

Always remember ... Zillow's not creating any more eyes for the online real estate space, it's simply diverting those eyes from other sites onto its own. It is and always shall be a remora.

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18 Comments on Another Brick in the Wall

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2012
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So what exactly is Z's premise/intentions in footing the bill for these salaried positions? Are they simply looking to better legitimize their business model and forge relational bridges of trust with these people we trust? I don't have any disdain or fears about the Zillows and Trulias of the world. They exist because a vacuum exists. Consumers want access, they provide it, albeit not always the most accurate. 

4:28pm • #1
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I believe Zillow's new business plan is to hire the entire NAR membership, make them all 'partners' at some level, and then pay them in "Featured" agent statuses for their area. ;)

4:59pm • #2
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wow you are on active rain.

5:02pm • #3
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I will go on record as saying I would totally take a job that involved hanging out on social media and traveling all over the country on the company dime.  What is the downside?

5:03pm • #4
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"wow you are on active rain."

Tboard rocks... :)

6:06pm • #5
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Seems like old times.....

Can't find any fault with Tboard's reasoning....can't fault these guys at all. Nick, you remember what that 43rd floor is like. Who wouldn't want that view?....

Like I said, I have no animosity towards Z or T...I've got super great friends that work at both, folks I greatly respect. I personally think we can civilly co-exist and benefit from each other....but that's just me!

7:50pm • #6
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Tboard - that last comment will probably result in a phone call from Spencer!...

7:50pm • #7
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They exist because a vacuum exists

That's a myth, Rich. I don't even know where Kirkland is except for the fact you're there, but I can type "Kirkland Real Estate" into Google and immediately find homes for sale. As I've said here before, I can find homes just about anywhere by typing a city on Google.

There is no vacuum. If anything, the Trulias, Zillows and Realtor.com do little more than provide a rather incomplete, often inaccurate repackaging of listings available in multiple other areas.

Teresa - I don't doubt it's a great opportunity for them. I do question the value of a "partnership" manager or whatever other title comes up, only because I don't see any value these companies bring to the equation to create a partnership. Without our own data, they have nothing whatsoever.

Jim - feels like the last one still selling homes ought to turn out the lights.

7:52pm • #8
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Rich - I'll go back to my example. If someone walked into your house, took up your residence in your living room, survived using your electricity and utilities and added zero to the household expenses, would you be interested in co-existing with them or getting them the hell out of there? Children aside, of course.

I know Jay and Duane and Bob all and I respect them. It's their company I have a severe issue with. Two very, very different things.

7:54pm • #9
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Rich - what is a Spensor?  I used to have the awesome corner office that over looked the pond.  They paid my cell phone bill and for a whole bunch of other things like lunch. :) 

4:24am • #10
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Jonathan - I do agree with what you are saying but am not all that hung-up on the bad data. . .it is bad data.   what I don't like is when we don't use the sites of the third parties trying to make a buck or two off of our listings they tell us we don't care about cosumers.   I would like it better if they pointed out that they need me to pay for their next trip or their new car or some other part of their perfect lives. 

I am sure I could get a job like that again and if I did I would be all:  : "Use XYZ you loser real estate agents I do and look where I ended up" 

4:34am • #11
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I was just listening to Pink Floyd when I came upon your absolutely spot on post. Frankly, I think all this hiring is a defensive postition because there are industry rumblings about taking away their bread and butter...agent listings. Without listings, their websites are useless. Better off trying to squash it now, before it gets larger.

8:12am • #13
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My office window is on the second floor and it faced a brick wall in an alley. 

 

I was tricked back here. I am a voyeur. :)

 

(wonders if she still gets points)

3:23pm • #14
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I really want to "like" Chris's comment

4:53pm • #15
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Jonathan,  Had to come read after I heard about your post at AAR Tech Committee meeting yesterday, where we had numerous tangential conversations about Zillow and consumers and fiduciary duties. Interesting times, for sure. I think there's more behind the door than any of us have a clue about, hence the suck of major talent from Phoenix.

Teresa and Chris, You guys always make me smile. Always.

4:50am • #16
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Interesting the way all the talent is in Phoenix.  Once it is all used up by the real estate thrid party sites what wil the city do?

6:22am • #17
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Easy, T ... Dru and I will sell $50 million a year each.

8:30am • #18

My perspective is one that's more personal since I know and have worked with all three. Two are CEO level, strategic thinkers, who were intimately involved in the attempted roll-out of a statewide MLS. Positive, forward thinking folks.  Will miss their energy. That's what I was trying to say. 

Lots of talent everywhere, for sure.

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