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There is no perfect temperature for your water heater

By
Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

What's the best temperature to set your water heater to?  There's no single great answer.  The American Society of Sanitary Engineering Scald Awareness Task Group recently released a white paper on this topic, which essentially says that there is no perfect temperature to set you water heater to.

What's a safe temperature for water?

On the side of most water heaters you'll find a warning that says water temperatures of 125 degrees Fahrenheit can cause burns or death.  To be safe, the water coming out of the plumbing fixtures in a home shouldn't be any hotter than 120 degrees.   The handy photo below (courtesy of Charles Buell)  shows how fast second and third degree burns can happen at temperatures that any new water heater is capable of producing.

Water Temperatures

Just turning down the temperature at your water heater until you're at a safe 120 degrees isn't enough to solve potential scald hazards because the thermostat on a water heater isn't designed to keep the water at a constant temperature; it's just designed to keep the water within a certain range of temperatures.  Seattle home inspector Charles Buell has posted a couple different blogs explaining how this works - one explaining how water heaters sometimes run out of hot water faster than they should, and another on the different temperatures that will be produced by a water heater during different stages of the heating cycle.

During a recent inspection of a large home that was heated with two high-efficiency water heaters, I found quite a range in temperatures.  When I first turned the hot water on at a fixture, the water temperature started out cool; this was because the water in the hot water pipe had cooled down to room temperature.  As the hot water from the top of the tank arrived at the plumbing fixtures, the water temperature rapidly jumped up to nearly 154 degrees - this was hot enough to cause first degree burns instantaneously, and second degree burns within one second.

Dangerously hot water

The water only stayed at this temperature for a few seconds; it quickly dropped back down to about 135.  While there was a tempering valve installed to mix cold water in with the hot water right at the water heater outlet, it wasn't enough to completely control the water temperature at the fixtures.

Minnesota has no requirements for residential water temperatures.  Anti-scald devices are required in all new or remodeled showers or shower-bath combos in Minnesota (4715.1380 Subp. 5), but this does nothing to address the final temperature of the water coming out of a fixture.   Anti-scald devices only help to prevent people from getting scalded by a sudden swing in temperature while taking a shower.  With old shower valves that didn't have the anti-scald feature, if a toilet would flush while someone was taking a shower the pressure on the cold water line would drop, quickly increasing the water temperature at the shower.

Lower Temperatures Allow Bacteria Growth

It seems as though the solution to help prevent accidental scalding would be to turn down the temperature at the water heater to say, 115 degrees, but lower temperatures actually create other problems.

At temperatures below 135 to 140, Legionellae bacteria, which is responsible for Legionnaires' Disease, can survive and even multiply in the water heater tank.  Estimates by LegionellaPrevention.org say that up to 600,000 cases of Legionnaires' Disease are misdiagnosed as pnemonia each year, because this is something that isn't tested for in hospitals.   The diagram below shows the time it takes to kill Legionellae Bacteria at different temperatures.

To help prevent bacteria growth, the ASSE recommends keeping the water in your water heater tank at about 135 - 140 degrees Fahrenheit.

Water Temp Effects on Legionellae

Of course, this creates a scalding hazard.

So What's the Answer?

To help prevent bacteria growth and to lower the risk of scalding, have a plumber install a tempering valve and crank up the temperature at your water heater to about 135 - 140, as ASSE recommends.  Last year I wrote about how I installed a tempering valve on the hot water outlet at my own house in order to get more water out of my water heater.  These valves would be a good thing to install in every home.  A tempering valve allows you to keep the water at a dangerously high, Legionellae-killing-temperature inside the water heater tank, yet it mixes cold water in with the hot water right at the outlet, making it so you don't get this hot water at the rest of the fixtures in your home.

Tempering valve function

As I mentioned in my story about the recent inspection with dangerously hot water, a tempering valve won't guarantee safe water temperatures, but it will get you a lot closer.

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Often when houses are vacant for a period of time, the water in the tank smells bad.  Particularly so on well water-fed heaters.  This is great info!  I tell people about 130F and that a tempering valve is always a good thing.  Few listen.

Great blog Reubs!

Apr 17, 2012 08:13 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jay - I know exactly the smell you're talking about.  Yucky.

Shesh - you make a very convincing argument, and you bring up many valid points - especially the first one (stupid!!!!).  I'll have to let those folks over at ASSE know that they got this one all wrong, and there's probably no such thing as Legionella.

Perhaps you're right, and we're becoming a "sociaty of dumbies."

Apr 18, 2012 10:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I resisted the temptation Reubs to say anything about that last comment, since it is your post.  As tongue in cheek and sarcastic as you know I like to be on some posts, even I would have had a hard time coming up with a comment that, um, creative!

There are so many grammatical and spelling errors it would make the NEA proud (the true NEA goal - dumb them down...).

I was in a house the other day that was obviously kid central.  It appeared that must be why the people were selling - no room!  The water temp at the kitchen sink was 187F!  I had to leave the sellers a note.  Perhaps not my purview to do that, but I was concerned for everyone there. 

Apr 18, 2012 05:38 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Oh, where did you get that chart?  Is it copyrighted or can I swipe it and use it?  It's got a good credit, so the author probably wouldn't be too upset if I was to include it in my reports, or a link to it.

Apr 18, 2012 05:40 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jay - It's hard not to leave a creative comment when you get an anonymous comment like that, isn't it?  For future reference, I'm definitely not 'touchy'.  Comment away :)

I heisted that chart off the white paper from the ASSE that I linked to - http://www.asse-plumbing.org/WaterHeaterScaldHazards.pdf .  

Apr 18, 2012 07:46 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I know you're not touchy!  I tease you as much as I do anybody.  I just thought you deserved the opportunity to comment on it first!

Apr 18, 2012 08:13 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Reubs, I have a new Burnham high efficiency boiler with an indirect water heater. My gas bill, I just converted, all winter was around $115 a month. Still have to wait and see how much just hot water will be during the warm months. And for the record I wasn't whining, I'm just being cheap ;)

Apr 18, 2012 09:15 PM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

Always informative! I knew about the scald hazard but the Legionnaires' Disease aspect I don't think I had ever encountered before.

Is it cowardliness that makes most flamers anonymous?

Apr 19, 2012 08:35 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Thanks Jay :)

James - yeah, I figured :).  I'll stay tuned to hear what your water heating costs are.

Marshall - Thanks.  As for the flamers, it's either cowardliness or they're a part of the sociaty (sic) of dumbies (sic) ;).

 

Apr 19, 2012 08:02 PM
Bill Fields
Bill Fields Learning Systems - Treasure Island, FL

Great tips. Thanks!

Apr 19, 2012 09:52 PM
Elisa Uribe Realtor #01427070
Golden Gate Sotheby's International - Berkeley, CA
Opening the Doors to California Homes -East Bay

What an informative and well written blog. Thanks for the education!

Apr 20, 2012 03:46 AM
Sylvie Stuart
Realty One Group Mountain Desert 928-600-2765 - Flagstaff, AZ
Home Buying, Home Selling and Investment - Flagsta

Wow, you always hit such interesting topics! I never thought about the temperature of a water heater, but will now!

Apr 20, 2012 08:49 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

GREAT info. I just got a new heter a few months ago and need to chck it out, and put the temepring valve on it!

THANKS!!

Apr 20, 2012 12:44 PM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Reuben, excellent post and really enjoyed the graphics.  Thanks for sharing.

Apr 20, 2012 09:53 PM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Reuben, thank you for the valuable information, one more thing to watch for in my rentals.

Apr 21, 2012 08:40 AM
Peter Michelbach
International, IT
i Sell Real Estate

Reuben - great information, thank you for sharing, got a temperature valve at my new unit.

Apr 21, 2012 12:07 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Wow, never knew about the Legionaire's stuff & temperature. Thanks for the helpful info.

Apr 21, 2012 10:52 PM
Nan Herring
Albany, NY

I just learned a lot. thank you.

Apr 22, 2012 08:18 AM
Marsha Cash
RE/MAX Advantage - Stockbridge, GA

Great information.  Didn't know this.  Thanks so much for sharing.

Apr 23, 2012 06:15 AM
Hank Richter
HomePro Inspections of RI - Providence, RI

Great Post! Another area of concern is old gate valves on tankless coils or lack of mixing valve on tankless coils. We also stress insulating all of the hot water piping. When this is done, the temperatures need to be re-measured as several degrees can be gained from the insulation!

Apr 23, 2012 10:09 PM