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Manhattan Beach- Beach Cities: Christmas Eve Thoughts

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Real Estate Agent with Real Estate West BRE# 701315



If you've been following the financial news the last few days... amid all the Holiday hoopla... the financial pages have been running articles pointing the finger of blame about the real estate crisis, continuing credit liquidity issues, plans for government bailouts for some homeowners, and today the plight of credit card companies who are seeing some major delinquencies by customers.

Now as I've noted before...I'm not a certified financial planner or an economist from a prestigious east coast university. But I do know a thing or two about the Southern California South Bay-Beach Cities real estate market and life in general.

It seems to me that many of the developing financial problems stem from a view by the financial community that higher rates are smart business. Yes.. I understand all about risk pricing of money. As an economic theory it sounds great and makes perfect sense... the higher the risk the higher the cost of money. I think this is a great theory when dealing with large corporations and major players on the financial scene. However sometimes what plays out in the boardrooms doesn't seem to work very well in Joe and Jane's living room.

Common sense should tell you that bumping up the interest rate on a loan made to a marginal buyer and being surprised when they default is just dumb. The same can be said about the rising problems with credit cards. If someone is having trouble making the payments on a card with a 10% rate what would make you think they can make the payment on a card when the rate rises to 30%. Some policies just don't make any sense. One of my favorites is the one offered by furniture companies.. buy now.. no payments for 2 years. In two years the furniture is history and so are the payments.

I know that they bump up prices for those who can pay to make up the difference just as they do for health insurance premiums. The problem is that this financial policy really doesn't work. Look at Levitz Furniture (can Wickes be far behind) and other similar companies that market to marginal consumers.


So here's a novel solution.. don't make loans or hand out credit cards to those who can't afford them. Stop extending huge lines of credit to marginal consumers. What is so difficult about this concept?

The truth is I have no sympathy for any of these companies who made loans or extended credit to consumers they knew would have a difficult, if not impossible time making the payments. Need money.. just sign up for our easy no-qualify home equity line of credit. We have all received hundreds of pre-approved credit cards in the mail.. sign here for $XXXX. People in trouble will grab at any form of a life line and these card offers and offers of credit seem like a life preserver to those drowning in financial problems.

You may be surprised to know that most financial problems are due to the loss of income, divorce or death in the family; not frivolous spending. Sure it's not too bright on the part of those who grab at the offers; but if they had more financial smarts they probably would not be in so much trouble in the first place. That said it is also not my responsibility to pay higher fees because companies make bad decisions.

I may sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve but it's time for the financial community to do what they claim consumers don't do..... take responsibility for their actions.






FYI: Scott Burns has an interesting column in the Daily Breeze today. It is definitely worth a read.

 

William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Merry Christmas Kaye. Way to go. Someone needs to say this loud and clearly and I am glad you did it!. Congratulations, you are 100% on the mark in my estimation. It is called being responsible, a trait seemly in short supply these days. May all your Christmas Dreams come true and may the New Year fill your life with Gladness, Good Health and Prosperity as we begin the countdown to what I still believe will be a great year. Happy New Year my Friend and please know what a great joy and treasure you are to me.

Sincerely,

William

Dec 24, 2007 07:29 PM
Laurie Manny
Long Beach CA Real Estate - Long Beach, CA

Go git em Kaye, give em hell.

 

Merry Christmas my friend.  I am so very happy that I found AR and you.  I hope your holiday is wonderful my friend.   

Dec 24, 2007 09:52 PM
Neal Bloom
Brokered by eXp Realty LLC - Weston, FL
Realtor CRS-Weston FL Real Estate
Happy Holidays Kaye...I'm glad to know you even if it is only over the Internet. I hope to continue to grow with you in 2008 and have a very prosperous 2008!
Dec 24, 2007 11:33 PM
Maggie Dokic /Indialantic | 321-252-8696
Magdalena Dokic - Indialantic, FL
Selling the beach in Florida's space coast
Merry Christmas Kaye!  This is an excellent post.  What is so hard about exercising a little common sense?
Dec 24, 2007 11:43 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Kaye,...  I don't want to be a bah humbug, so I will wish you and your family Happy Holidays first...

But in regards to your post, I disagree partially. I do believe in being responsible. But even those with average, to decent, to good credit get these credit cards or the furniture that they don't have to pay interest for 2 years... Yes. we can partially blame these companies, but what about the consumer that over extends themselves, not knowing the future. I bought a brand new leather couch a few years ago for $900 and I paid cash. I see so many jump on the buy now pay later. You can't fore see the future and this is actually a year end blog that I am working for. Not only do we have foreclosures as a problem now, but you will see a larger problem in a bout a year, when more of these no interest loans go belly up. This has been a concern of mine for a year now. But this can and will happen to people even with good credit. Why?  We have been in a slight recession for several years now. Just my opinion, no matter what the media and studies from Universities say.   Every day life tells me a lot more than a study from Harvard or some other big University or some person with a MBA in business. 

Overall, didn't mean to rain on your parade. It's good to speak out. But there is more to it than just rates.. ..  in all honesty, even if rates were in the 6's, which they are. People still over extend themselves and will still get in financial trouble. Too many people point the blame at higher rates. If you dig deep down, this is not always the problem. Hopefully I will be able to detail all of this in my year end post.

Anyhoo....  Happy Holidays...

jeff belonger
Dec 25, 2007 12:36 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
May the miracle of Christmas fill your heart with warmth and love.  Happy Holidays to you and yours!
Dec 25, 2007 02:39 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA

William-I'm glad you agree that responsibility seems to be something we may need to think about a bit more seriusly.. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas my friend..

Laurie-  I'm also very happy I found AR and you my dear friend.. thank you for sharing your knowledge and friendship..

Neal- It's truly amazing how close we feel to "friends" we have not yet met in person but know so well..

Maggie- I thin common sense may be one of the hardest things we learn in life.. I hope you had a wonderful day..

Jeff- I agree that consumers need to develop more sense when it comes to their finances.. However where we part ways is that I think financial institutions also need to develop more sense.  If you know someone can barely make a payment at the teaser rate yet you make a loan to them .. I really don't see where you can realistically gripe if they go under.  Part of the due dilligence was to determine if the person was credit worthy.  If they can't make the payment then they are not credit worthy..charging them a higher interest rate doesn't make them more credit worthy. 

By the same token.. if you make these loans or extend credit to people who you know can't pay.. but choose to gamble on them at a higher rate with the underlying thought that if they don't pay you will charge me a higher fee to cover the debt.. that is wrong.  It is not my responsibility to cover your bad judgement.. yet that is exactly what happens.

Whether we agree or disagree... I hope you had a wonderful Christmas..

Midori-I do hope today was very special for you and your family..

Dec 25, 2007 03:49 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

This is really basic.  We, the real estate practitioners and the loan officers are the ones who know, OR SHOULD KNOW, whether or not a buyer is qualified to make a loan of $$$HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS $$$.  

 

Dec 25, 2007 11:45 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

I SO agree with you Kaye. Some practices just make no sense. Guess they know that it will bring them business. Seems to me the higher fees that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be charging starting in March are only a money maker for them. It doesn't change anything and they still will loan to those with lower credit ratings.

Jeff 

Dec 26, 2007 03:25 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA

Lenn- You are right.... agents should not be showing $800,000 homes to someone making $50,000 a year  with  no money down.   Lenders should take into consideration what happens when loans adjust upward.. as they usually do.  I think what caught buyers was that in the last 10 years most  loans adjusted downward.. so buyers thought that interest only loans would work the same way.. and they don't.

Jeff-The main diference is that the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are guaranteed so investors feel more comfortable with those loans.. Until we make lenders responsible for their lending practices.. in their collective wallets... without a tax payer bailout when they screw up.. there is no incentive for them to change.

Dec 26, 2007 04:53 AM
Gena Riede
Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

Kaye, my sentiments exactly. It's time to stop blaming the consumer and start where it all steams from.

Hope you had a wonderful Christmas and here's hoping that we all have a safe, healthy and prosperous New Year!

Dec 26, 2007 07:19 PM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
Gena-Consumers still  have to take responsibility for their actions.. but it's not a one way street.  Financial institutions need to understand that if they choose to gamble on where they loan money then they have to accept risk along with profit... and I shouldn't have to pay for their choices.
Dec 27, 2007 01:39 AM
Irina Netchaev
Pasadena Views Real Estate Team, Inc. - Pasadena, CA
Pasadena CA Real Estate
Kaye, Happy New Year to you my friend!  I'm soooo glad that we met this year.  :-)
Dec 31, 2007 03:49 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA

Irina- Happy new Year to you and your family.. Must be time for another get together...

Dec 31, 2007 11:06 AM