Ohio City's Main Strip Architecture courtesy of ohiocity.comHey All You Don Quixote Home Builders....Were you the chickens or the eggs? Did neighborhoods start to get revitalized before you built new construction homes or condos? Or did you go into the neighborhoods and lead the way?

To a large extent, a lot of Home Builders seem like they enjoy a good challenge, playing the odds. What made home builders decide to go into urban areas and take a chance and revitalize a neighborhood?  Americans have always been drawn to pick up and move farther out, claim a stake and put up a white picket fence, So it seems less risky to me to be a builder in the suburbs.

I'm talking about the builders who went into the neighborhoods and said OK, let's build. We have a neighborhood in Cleveland called Ohio City (my office is located there). Before I left in the 70s, people were talking about how that area was going to be revitalized. It took a while, but now it is a mix of old and new, fancy and eccentric, every ethnic group represented by a restaurant  in only a two mile radius (I of course love this part). But some people had to be the pioneers, and some of those pioneers were builders. I also know that redevelopment corporations played a big part in helping to restore structures like Churches and other historic properties. There was partnership monies available in the wild west of revitalizing decaying neighborhoods. But builders intrigue me. In most Cleve's oldest indr/outdr mkt...since 1840, Ohio CIty,  courtesy City of Clevelandneighborhoods, it was NOT a matter of 'if you build it they will come.'

This is making me pensive today. I went on a second listing appointment to work with a newer town home complex with just a few more to sell. It is in a neighborhood I have blogged about before. A non sexy but wonderful neighborhood full of working class people, industries, shops, parks and soon to be brand spanking new schools. But not much new construction! The average house sale in this neighborhood last year was below $100,000. Yet a few years ago, an enterprising builder went into the neighborhood and put up town homes at almost twice that sale price. And it has not been an easy sell. Did the pioneering builders in other neighborhoods that now ARE considered sexy, sacrifice themselves for the good of the people? 

Don't get me started on urban sprawl, that is for another post or series of ten posts lol. A city stays vibrant because of it's neighborhoods. I am so thankful there were pioneers in building. We have all sorts of non profits working together to help rebuild neighborhoods. I get the connection between government and non-profits and jobs and schools.  What intrigues me are the builders.

Who were the builders who pioneered in your neighborhoods? And if you are a builder, what are your insights on this. I bet I am not the only one intrigued by this.

 Peace Out - 3C

 

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JAN
05
2007
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3C glad to see the   this blog SCREAMS LOCALISM.

 

I smell a future blog!

Me

6:28pm • #43
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Carole - I love the kind of neighborhoods that you are describing, new mixed with old - quirky - different and fun! I grew up around Chicago's Old Town before it went completely yuppie.... I loved it. Crate and Barrel was a crappy little storefront operation where you could go buy jelly jars to use as glassware.

*sigh*

6:36pm • #44
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FC:  You have a good nose for the future LOL  And thank you vm for the star :-) I need to go check and see if it's in localism lol. Do we have to check?

 Angus that neighborhood sounds like it was fun. I bet there are still old style main street shops in some places in Chicago! I remember a candy/news shop on my street growing up; I was about five and my cousin was in town for the summer working at Ford to make money for college; he'd take me with him, and exchange comic books, which were stacked up at the door, like a comic book library! It amazes me today.

6:49pm • #45
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Carole- This is a great post. We do not really have that kind of thing going on here. Our downtown areas are getting more "lofts" but nothing major. I really, really, liked reasing this. You more than deserved the Gold Star!
9:17pm • #47
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TY Mariana and hi! Lofts are good for business so that part is good! You have enough natural beauty there to make up for a lack of old buildings I bet

9:46pm • #48
JAN
07
2007
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Carole.. aka 3C.. is that your street name? :))   I like that you call an area 'sexy'.. so I'm not the only one!!   plus lots of ethnics restaurant makes for sexy eating!  and Carole.. those last words clue me into a part of you.."peace out".. hee heee.. love it. Here is another (and its not a car)  I'm Audi 5000-G (Audi as in "Outta here") or in this case, Audi 5000-C ,.. and I thought that 'c' is for cookie... C is for Carole!!

other C's..  cool, clever, comforting, chilly, coolheaded, caring, carismatic, cat lover, cheerful, companion or champion!! How's that?!

1:20pm • #49
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Hey Nick: cat lover but not the domestic kind, at least not in my house LOL   Audie take a dog though lol. Yes, 3C is my ethernet street name, named by Craig Schiller, for cleveland carole cohen but I thank you for the complimentary (another C) descriptions above.  The United States is nothing but a conglomeration (another C) of ethnicity and I love that fact almost more than anything else. Peace Out Nick!
2:05pm • #50
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Well in the early 70's there were a lot of head shops (my personal fav was Bizarre Bazaar...) does that count for local flavor?
4:23pm • #51
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ANGUS: OMG ! LOLOL  Yeah that counts as local color for sure - probably even psychedelic color
4:29pm • #52
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Of course there were also great jazz clubs, comedy clubs (the original Second City Theater was there... Belushu, Akroyd, Case etc...) and little hole in the wall shops. The yearly art fair was also great (now very commercial)

I bought my first big collared, flowered print shirt down there in the mid 70's... which I proceeded to wear with my red plaid "elephant" bell bottoms.... I was stylin'

10:42pm • #53
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OOOOOH I hope you have a photo lol  Great visual even without one :-)

See, Chicago had it going on! And it's not every city that has a musical named after it! 

10:51pm • #54
JAN
08
2007
You would love the novel SWAP by Sam Moffie. It has a Cleveland Indian/Northeast Ohio background.
Harry Niles
8:33am • #55
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Thanks Harry I love reading suggestions and this sounds perfect!

10:29am • #56
JAN
11
2007
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Carole, I can't believe I missed this post of yours a week ago, and I am proud to comment, even late.

I do totally love home building.  I grew up in a new homes sales environment too, dad sold new homes through the 70's.  I've had the chance to meet and get to know a lot of these men and women who call themselves home builders. 

First, suburban sprawl is a problem.  Most home builders today know that.  We have recently fought politicians here in Porter County Indiana who wanted to mandate 10 acre estate lots "only."  This merely uses up hundreds of acres and creates an elistist satisfaction. 

Second, urban in-fill and revitalization is a huge opportunity.  Neighborhoods can be rebuilt and community recreated where it may have been lost.  Now the truth is that urban work tends to be a much larger risk, frankly it's just not as easy.  So my experience has been that those who make money in the suburbs get to a point in their careers and pocketbooks that they can finally afford to re-invest in urban areas. 

I don't know why the national builders, with huge pockets, don't do more.  It seems to me they would try to dominate this market. 

I am aware of at least one regional developer here in Indiana, Kosene Development, that has made a major committment to urban renewal and redevelopment.  I've met them but don't have anything to do with their company personally.  I toured their stuff in Indianapolis recently and was quite impressed with what they could accomplish and make look timeless.

More builders will look to urban ... they'll be forced to because the national builders are pushing them out of business in the suburbs.

10:17pm • #57
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Wow Steve, thank you. I appreciate your insight. I would tend to agree with you (though you have more experience!) that a more established builder would take the risk in an area where no new construction exists. And I applaud you for the veto of the 10 acre 'estates'  It really is hard to legislate agains people who still want to sprawl, but if the incentives for building are for the 'other projects' then so be it! lol  Thank you and I'm off to check out Kosene now. PS I have NO idea how you found all the blogs you did, no worries a bout not finding this one!)
10:28pm • #58
JAN
13
2007
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Carole I found your post from the week in review, and I'm glad I did.  I can tell you that for the most part, it doesn't begin with builders, it begins with someone with a vision who has an interest in restoration or preservation.  The University of Miami's school of architecture is big on urban planning and redevelopment and there's many studies that show that mixed-use small downtowns is where to put the money.  There's been a study here in Miami Shores that began many years ago for our DownTown area and it began with the actual residents and the local chamber of commerce doing a Charrette - now the builders will put our plan into work.  There are many communities that would benefit from this and a lot of builders that are paying attention - I only cross my fingers and hope an Urban Planner is behind them to help so they don't ruin the existing infrastructures.  Thanks for a great post!

 

9:10am • #59
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Ines good morning! You make a good point about master planning frequently leading the way, It sounds like you approve of at least some of what they have planned for your area? Usually you can attend planning committee meetings (in my other life in Maryland I used to do this) and comment during the public portion of it. Thank you for your thoughtful comments!
9:16am • #60
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I do exactly that Carole - I am involved whith the town committee meetings and Rick is a director on the board of our Local Chamber of Commerce.   And yes I approve a lot of what is planned for our area except that there are always those scared of CHANGE who make it really difficult.
11:05am • #61
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Carole...I am just reading through all of Leanne's AR Week In Review ...it's always fun to read your posts because it feels like visiting you in person. I can hardly wait to hear your Urban Sprawl series. Be sure to let the folks at the ECO group know when it comes out!
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