User26957_3_t Matthew Rathbun ABR/M, ASR, e-PRO, QSC, GRI, SRES, Brkr
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I've recently had my eyes open that my job as a REALTOR is becoming less about listing and selling homes, and more about counseling my clients to reduce damages. I've been very successful as a listing agent for the past many years, just before the hyper market ramp up and even this past year, but it seems as of late that there is little I can do to sell a home that is evenly fairly priced. It's starting to become clear to me that if a home is going to sell in our market (rural area south of Northern Virginia) that the home must be significantly less expensive than it has been. Many of my client recently have called it quits and wish to just let the house go to foreclosure. They are leaving against my advice to get rentals so that the foreclosure issues doesn't reflect on them when they try to rent. Most of these folks are depressed, fed up, very much in debt and scared.

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 In several cases I have the one spouse trying all she can to work with me through the egregious short-sale request process, only to find that the spouse simply won't help. God help me if the spouses are divorced or unmarried co-owners. I've got several where one is just walking away. They aren't helping with home maintenance and staging, none-the-less financial advice. They've simply stopped paying the mortgage and they are more than frustrated with the barriers lenders have put up to helping them. If we can even get in touch with the lender, as their telephone lines are mysteriously dropping calls. The folks we need to talk to are never available and it takes weeks to get an answer just to hear that the lender isn't prepared or willing to accept offers or short-sale requests. The frustration goes on and on.... Here is what I've seen with at least four families in the past two weeks (during the Christmas season); they are simply tired of fighting one another and the market and the mortgage industry and they are simply giving up. No more attempts at making mortgage payments. They don't want to see one more updated CMA telling them that their house isn't worth what they owe on it. They don't want to hear that the average days on the market is twice what they've already attempted and they really, really don't want to hear that all marketing attempts are being done and that the supposed Federal assistants plans really aren't going to help the folks selling their homes. So, they are giving up.

I was a EMS medic for over ten years and too many times I saw folks who were critically ill and had fought the illness for years become much happier when they stopped fighting and simply lived each day to it's fullest. I sometimes feel that is how my sellers are becoming. They are surrendering to the fact that foreclosure may not be the worst thing in the world and ruining their marriages and relationships over this housing industry crisis isn't going to kill them.

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Is there solace and serenity in the surrendering to the fact that their credit has been damaged and it may be years before they can enjoy home ownership again? I am beginning to think for a very few, there is. Now, I am not recommending that any of you reading this recommend to your clients or believe that foreclosure is the best option. However, I have been on the phone with some clients for hours trying to calm them, counsel them and walk them through this issue. We have explored short-sales and steps to foreclosure and home maintenance and what the Deed of Trust requires you to do. We've explored Deed in Lieu to save the embarrassment of public notice of foreclosure. We've chatted about how to tell your children and family and if getting a third job is the best option. It's heartbreaking. Each morning I pray over each listing file for wisdom on what to do next. Each morning, I come up with the same thing - just do our best. My encouragement to other practitioners is to spend a little more time listening and also more time studying and training about the steps your clients can take to limit their damages. I fully understand that we don't get paid for our time "counseling" on issues other than how to sell the home, but we are the aggregators of the knowledge and should be of the wisdom. Sometimes it's not just all about the paycheck...

 
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11 Comments on Serenity in the Surrender

Good points - I think there is much to be said for your point of surrendering; I think the relief of it being "over" in a sellers mind may be somewhat like a morphine drip. 

Have you ever thought of having a seminar? For folks interested in doing a short sale? You might be surprised at the turnout.You would be the man to teach it. I wonder if there are a ton of folks out there who are behind and just don't know what to do.

12/28/2007 06:49 AM by Kevin McGrath - Fredericksburg VA Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Elite - Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania)


I like the idea of a seminar, but it's time for some tough love.  This isn't a housing crisis, it's a credit correction.  In far too many cases people owe more than a house is worth because lenders allowed them to borrow against ghost equity.  People who bought things they couldn't afford, with money they didn't have need to own up and take responsibility for it.  Is their relief by walking away, sure.  It isn't any different then leaving the scene of a crime.  The relief is temporary, because you aren't dealing with the real problem.  Leaving someone else holding the bag won' (or shouldn't) make anyone feel better.

www.mattcrow.com

 

12/28/2007 07:11 AM by Matt Crow - www.mattcrow.com 630-728-6051 (Huntley Realty)


Matt and I think the same on this. It is a crisi for the indivduals involved but a correction for the industry. Some folks screwed up, got in over their heads and now it is time to face the consequences. That may be tough but it happens. It could happen to any of us. It's called life. And yes I feel really bad when it happens to folks I am working with too.

12/28/2007 07:46 AM by Charlie Ragonesi Big Canoe homes, Jasper ,Ball Ground,Benttree,Dahlonega (All Mountain Realty)


Thanks for commenting and I respect your points of view.  However, I have to respectfully disagree that this is a issue only for those who over extended etc...  There is a fallacy in thinking that this current market doesn't effect those with good credit and who have taken care of their money.  I have engineers, military officers and other professionals who have 30% equity in the home, low debt to income rations and conventional loans, but life has happened and they must sell and move - and they can't.  Using the euphemisms, that we do, such as "market correction" and "credit correction" is shy away from the fact that this is affecting consumer confidence, consumer spending, retail, education etc...  I am very support of the "tough love" approach if it's warranted.  In many cases, my stern approach to my clients is why they have felt a paternal bond and do share their issues with me.  I think we're close to the same page, but I don't agree that we should categorically think that these issues are limited only to the sub-prime borrows of yesteryear.   

12/28/2007 08:04 AM by Matthew Rathbun ABR/M, ASR, e-PRO, QSC, GRI, SRES, Brkr (Real Estate Career Academy)


This is a great post during this difficult time.  Thanks for sharing.  I've taked with several people recently who want to buy, but are afraid they can't rent their property or sell in the meantime.  They are afraid in getting in too far over their heads and are seeing it happen to friends. 

12/28/2007 08:09 AM by Karen Gentry>>Charlottesville, Virginia Real Estate Professional (RE/MAX Excellence-Charlottesville VA)


Surrender...sometimes it is the easier softer way. I hear you, and agree for a very few maybe it is time...

12/28/2007 08:11 AM by Brentwood TN Real Estate/Homes - Vanessa Stalets REALTORĀ® (RE/MAX Elite)


Matthew, truer words have not been spoken about the heartbreak that homeowners face in this market.  How easy can it to give up, not easy at all!  For just one moment, think about what the homeowners are about to face and that of their family, that feeling of failure and defeat and loosing the place they call home.  The lingering question of what happens now, where do they go, how do we as real estate practitioners counsel them.

All we can do is listen and give them the best advise we can. The final decision is always up to our clients on how they should proceed bases on each situation and sometimes that is foreclosure.  I totally agree, it is not always about the paycheck, most REALTORS will do anything to assist someone in need, but many times, we are limited in what we can do for someone.  You are a very caring agent and your clients are better for having you assist them in their time of need!

12/28/2007 10:12 AM by Claire Forcier-Rowe


Matthew: Respectfully must ask how, in your scenario, you calculate the 30% equity. If they bought when the market was up, and they paid too much, then that is the problem.  There are buyers out there if a home is priced correctly for today's market.  If you need to sell and have 30% equity, then it would appear that you have lots of room to lower your price. 

I don't shy away from the effect that this is having on consumers at all. That is exactly why I blog.  Somebody has to educate the public.  The "WE MUST HAVE A RECESSION," main stream media is literally giddy with what they can spin to sound like bad news.  "Holiday sales disappointing, but up."  Crazy!  Holiday sales were up and you'd have a very hard time finding that in a bold headline! 

Be of service. The rewards will come!

www.mattcrow.com

 

12/28/2007 02:49 PM by Matt Crow - www.mattcrow.com 630-728-6051 (Huntley Realty)


Matt,  Blogging to education is a different skill than actually communicating with the client during their hardship.  I gauge equity assumedly as everyone else does; leveraged amount versus appraised value.  The greater point is that 30% equity isn't enough.  The prices are still going lower, before they can sell.  Unfortunately our region went through a 3-4 year spurt of 25%+ appreciation year over year.  Now, what was a good deal four years ago is worth less than what they paid for it.  The "problem" of the homeowners paying "too much" when they purchased was a necessity.  It wasn't necessarily too high when they bought it compared to everyone else.  Your comments sound as if they should be penalized for buying a home.  Not everyone who is suffering now is at fault, there are some victims.

I am not a big fan or arguing semantics in a blog, for the pure pleasure of controversial diatribe.   The Blog post is appropriate for my market area.  I am willing to conceded that it may not be the same for all markets.  I just don't buying into the fact that this is all the consumers fault.  I think that everyone from those in and around our industry, the local and federal governments and yes even us as REALTORS® have a degree of responsibility.  

12/28/2007 05:28 PM by Matthew Rathbun ABR/M, ASR, e-PRO, QSC, GRI, SRES, Brkr (Real Estate Career Academy)


A move caused me to have to buy in NoVa during the peak home prices.  I put 20% down and got a really good loan.  However, the home value has dropped 30% and as much as I would like to sell right now, I would have to bring money to the table if I did.  If we had a transfer or other life change that forced us to sell, we would lose money.  When I bought carefully and financed carefully and within my budget, I NEVER thought the value of my home would put me upside down in my home equity.  Homes in our neighborhood are not selling, due to the market saturation.  If life changes caused me to have to sell and move, I too, would owe more than the sale value of my home.  This would not be a reflection of my buying foolishly or beyond my means.  I had to pay what the market demanded when I bought the home.  I can only get what the market will tolerate as a sales price now.  A careful purchase then would still put me in a drastic situation if I were forced to sell now.  We need to have more empathy for those clients who thought they were making good decisions when they bought, or had lenders who encouraged them that they were within their financial means.  I don't know of anyone that purchases a home casually without concern as to whether they can afford it.  Most of our buyers are stretching themselves when they make a home purchase.  They are hoping that raises and equity will protect them in just a few short years of scrimping and hard work.  In our lifetimes that has historically been the normal expectation for hard working adults.  That is no longer a reasonable expectation.  Even pricing a home correctly for the current market will not ensure a sale.  I currently have homes listed below appraised value that aren't selling, through no fault of the seller or the home.  For the most part, we are victims of an unexpected set of circumstances.  The best thing we can do is to understand the drastic and unfortunate situation of our clients, and to be the well informed, knowledgeable, and caring agent they need right now to assist them through this life altering misfortune.

12/29/2007 08:06 AM by


Matthew,

The greatest thing about being a Realtor is the ability to help someone pursue the dream of home ownership. The American dream of ownership comes with not only the pride of ownership, but the responsibility of living within our means. So much of the early 2000's was about climbing the property ladder to have the next bigger and better home.  As a Realtor, I too have become a councilor. The belief that people should move every two to five years and transfer their equity to larger, more expensive homes comes with many unforeseen pitfalls.  We have to consider for ourselves as Realtors, that building a long-term relationship with our clients is like that of a family doctor.  We are looking to build this relationship for the next twenty to thirty years, with referrals and future business, and not being the hunters and gatherers, living day to day.

The most important thing a Realtor can be is a trusted and trained adviser.  Real estate agents as a profession will continue to evolve as the market changes from cycle to cycle.  With each revolution, we pick up new skills and have to continue our education.  This education will sometimes be in unconventional forms.  Writers like Robert Kiyosaki, author of "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", offers advise that does not come from classroom studies, but can guide the agents as to the pitfalls of climbing the property ladder.  Especially if climbing the property ladder means going well beyond a buyer's financial means. 

While we are not trained to be financial advisors, financial issues play a huge roll in the decision process.  Realtors need to coordinate with so many people within the buying/selling process.  Maybe we need to have our clients meet with financial advisors, and not just mortgage brokers to help them decide if this is the right time to buy or sell.

01/01/2008 11:23 AM by Carl Pautlitz, Sheeran Sotheby's Int'l Realty


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