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Getting Schooled at School

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Before coming into the office this morning, I volunteered at my daughter's middle school for its "A.P.T. to Succeed" program.  The A.P.T. stands for achievement, personal management and teamwork.  My job as a volunteer was to interview 8th-grade students as if they were applying for a job, using A.P.T. as criteria to critique their performance.

I was very impressed with the students.  One of them spoke three languages, was an athlete, played a musical instrument and had an all-A average.  Hopefully I can recruit him to Stewart Title in about 8 years!  Others were artists, activists and generally well-rounded, nice kids as well.

One aspect about the process that threw me, but was interesting, was that none of the students asked any questions.  They were all exceedingly polite.  However, they were there to be interviewed- They must have either been nervous or felt it would have been against protocol to ask me anything about myself or my role in the world of commercial title insurance.  I've interviewed and hired a fair number of people over the years and that's never happened to me before.  It was odd to have a conversation with a stranger- even a 13-year-old stranger- that was completely one-way.

The experience highlighted two issues to me: First, while helpful, I'm not sure the format made for the most realistic trial run for the students.  In any sales conversation (and a job interview is indeed "selling" one's attributes), questions must go both ways.  To be effective, information has to be exchanged, not just given or just received.  So, the students might have been better served if some back-and-forth had been built into the format, or if they had been given a list of stock questions to ask.  That way they could have practiced more than just responding to queries.  And asking helps develop the all-important art of listening, as well.

Second, the experience reinforced how cognizant I need to be of maintaining a balance in my own interactions with prospects.  After 16 years in the business, I think I'm fairly polished, but today's adventure was a reminder to make sure I'm not either hogging a conversation or being too passive.  I guess you're never too old to go learn something at school!  :)

Kathy Sheehan
Bay Equity, LLC 770-634-4021 - Atlanta, GA
Senior Loan Officer

I volunteer at a local high school every year and I too love seeing what the students are studying.

May 02, 2012 05:14 AM
Andrew Capelli
Troy, MI

Kathy: What amazed me too was that, aside from having computers and cell phones, the kids didn't seem that different from 8th-graders when I was in school.  Thank you for commenting!  :)

May 02, 2012 06:08 AM
Anonymous
Fred Zawilinski

Based on your description of the students, I have to wonder if they were taught to ask questions during or at the end of an interview.  I rarely get questions when I interview adults for positions, other than wage and hours type of questions,  so I think it is a pervasive deficiency.   Perhaps an element of the exercise would have been to have the kids go online and do research on the firm.

May 02, 2012 06:39 AM
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Andrew Capelli
Troy, MI

Fred: Thank you for the feedback!  I agree it's a skill that should be worked on, too.  The volunteers filled out recommendation forms after the interviews, and I suggested building student questions into the process for next year.

May 02, 2012 06:58 AM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

I also feel the kids probably didn't have any experience with interviews and didn't realize they would be allowed to ask questions.

May 02, 2012 12:12 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

This type of volunteering is great. The kids get something and so do you.

I speak at a number of schools about the Holocast each year. Not a comfortable topic, but I enjoy doing it.

May 02, 2012 09:04 PM
Andrew Capelli
Troy, MI

Jill: I think you're right, and it's why I think it should be made an explicit part of the process.  Thanks for checking in!  :)

Joe: Wow, that is a heavy topic.  We actually have a Holocaust museum here in Farmington Hills, Michigan: http://www.holocaustcenter.org/  If you get out to the Midwest, you should check it out, thanks.

May 02, 2012 11:44 PM
Toni Weidman
Sailwinds Realty - Trinity, FL
20+ Years Selling Homes in New Port Richey, FL

Andrew - perhaps they were instructed not to ask questions (sometimes it bogs the whole exercise down) by their teacher. But I agree, it certainly would have made for a "real" experience if they had. And, yes, we all need to let others tell us their side when we are dealing in business.

May 03, 2012 02:39 AM
Andrew Capelli
Troy, MI

Toni: That's a good point- They may have been told not to ask questions in order to keep within time constraints.  Thanks for the thought!  :)

May 03, 2012 03:43 AM
Daniel J. Brudnok, REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Fox & Roach, REALTORS - Exton - PA License #RS-225179-L / Delaware License #RS-0025038 - Downingtown, PA
SRES, e-PRO,ABR,GREEN,CSP

Andrew,

Nice job stepping up for the students....they can be very interesting at times.....LOL

May 04, 2012 11:01 AM
Andrew Capelli
Troy, MI

Dan: Thank you- That's a nice way of putting it!  :)

May 04, 2012 11:34 PM
Nancy Laswick
United Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
Your REALTOR® For The Valley Of The Sun

Hi Andrew, hopefully we never get too old to learn, I don't think I can remember a day when I haven't learned something.

May 05, 2012 04:14 PM