I am in the process of developing a real estate photography class for the local REALTORS® to help them understand how to take better photos.  There are a lot of issues I could discuss here, but what I'm working with right now is suggestions on a good relatively inexpensive camera for the non-photographer REALTOR®.  I don't expect a person taking an introductory class like this to run out and buy a DSLR; too scary in price and function.

I currently use the Nikon 5400.  The Nikon 8400 would be even better, but both are out of production now.  If you were to suggest a digital camera to a new agent in your office, what would you suggest?

I figure the widest lens possible is a given.  28mm equivalency is the best I've found lately.  I have a wide angle adaptor for my camera and would suggest them if the agent is willing to add the additional cost to their new system, but there's one camera I think might be good for the newbie agent.  It's the Canon DS800 IS.  The reviews I've read indicate great low noise photos even at higher ISO ranges and it goes up to ISO 1600.  Wow, my older camera goes up to ISO 400 but with quite a bit of noise.  The image stabilization is also a great feature for this type of camera.

Okay, you know what I think.  Tell me what you think.  What would be the best first digital camera for a new agent?

 

18 Comments on What would be the best first digital camera for a new agent?

JAN
07
2007

 Let me throw out these cameras to you.

 Ricoh GR has a 28mm non-zoom lens.  That's just fine for real estate.  The wide angle lens adapter gets it to 21mm which is just about perfect for interiors.  You're looking at $700 for the camera and $200 for the wide angle adapter.

Canon SD800 IS has a 28-105mm zoom lens.  No wide angle adapter is available, but an external flash is.  Reviews indicate great low light performance and the image stabilization can only help by reducing the blur from hand held shots.  $370

Kodak V705 has dual lenses, one 23mm fixed lens and a 39-117mm zoom.  This unit will stitch panoramas right in the camera.  If that's not enough, it comes in different colors including pink.  The reviews I have read don't tout great image quality, but how good does it have to be for what we use the image for. $300

Fujifilm FinePix E510 has a 28-91mm lens for a cost of $190.

Olympus, Samsung and Panasonic each make small digital cameras with lenses at 28mm on the wide side.  There are features in each I like, but the ones I've covered seem to stand out.

What other cameras would work well for the new agent?  Which one would be your pick and why?

9:05am • #1
The Kodak P880 and Sony DSC-R1 each have lenses as wide as 24mm.  Does anyone have experience with these cameras?
5:49pm • #2
JAN
08
2007
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Will your "Focus" (pun-alert!) be on real estate listing photos:  The best angles for certain rooms, decluttering, not-tiliting, etc..... or will you be getting into some of the actual basic concepts of photography such as shutter speed, aperture and depth of field? 

If the latter, a camera with a manual mode would be necessary so students could experiment with their own exposure settings.

In either case, as others have mentioned, a wide angle lens is a must for real estate work.

I f you will be getting into photography basics, one of the best things about digital is being able to use software that will display your EXIF data.  Reviewing the exposure settings for your best shots, helps you come up with ideas of what settings to use in future shots.   Here's a sample from Breeze Browser.

That said, if the Focus of the course is just simply to take better photos of listings, and the students aren't budding photographers, you could do worse that reccomending the Kodak V705 that Jeff Turner wrote about back in November.

The image quality has been fine for me.  It has become my always-in-my-purse, carry-everywhere camera.  One thing, though, that little camera may feel too small for some people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6:50am • #3

Cheryl, I think you are right about the Kodak V705.

My focus will, of course, start with getting out of the car, keeping the camera level and the like.  I would like to touch on aspects of photography such as shutter speed and aperture settings.  I hope to even lightly cover subjects such as time of day, importance of a tripod and how a flash would affect the shot.  I know I can't get too deep and I don't want to make the class too long.

This brings me to the second question in developing this class.  What subjects do you think are most important for an introductory class in real estate photography?

7:15am • #4
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I suppose one could pattern the class around photoing an actual house:

1.  Stop the car, get out, LOOK around:  Where are the trash cans?  Are there cars in the driveway?  Photo the exterior from several angles.  Start at one corner, walk along the front, stopping to snap every few feet.  Walk across the street, walk down the block.  What do you SEE?  Walk along the sides of the house, the rear, what do you SEE?    Keep snapping.

2.  Go inside, LOOK for angles.  SEE where the light is.  How does backlight from a window affect your shot?  How to compensate for backlight.  What do you SEE holding the camera a little higher?  A little lower?  What objects do you SEE?  Should you center the object, or photo it off-center?  WATCH out for mirrors.  Shoot from each wall and each corner of a room.  Shoot cross-angles.  Shoot through doorways.

A lot of photography revolves becoming aware of what your camera SEES.

Maybe one of the agents attending the class could make one of their listings available, and the whole class could take a field trip  to that property.  The sellers of that property would probably be thrilled to have a whole class full of agents touring and photoing their home!

7:52am • #5
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P.S.  I could also see the class having two separate sessions:

Session 1 would be the field trip to a property.

Session 2 would be in a classroom setting and would focus on the "digital desktop darkroom".... How to use imaging software to correct contrast/exposure, crop, de-tilt, and re-size photos....

8:40am • #6
WOW, Thanks Cheryl.  All great points!
11:30am • #7
JAN
10
2007

Lee - The Kodak P880 has been phased out. If you can pick one up through ebay, do it...

I bought it for $265 (after rebates) through www.costco.com (I just checked, they are all out).

It's got a huge LCD screen and it's point and shoot.

Hope that helps!

4:40pm • #8
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So-o-o-o...my 2 year old LG 640x480 cameraphone won't get it?  LOL  If only it was illegal to put up photos like that!

I use a Kodak C7530.  Point and shoot, 5 MP.  Works for me, and I think my photos are competitive with most amateurs.  But I have shot as many as 90+ photos to get 10 for the MLS.  Shooting 10 to post 10 is a recipe for bad presentation.

Many of us should hire talent that owns a camera, rather than to pass ourselves off as photographers.

8:48pm • #9
JAN
11
2007
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Oh, No, Mike, shooting a lot of photos to get a few good ones is a very good receipe.  And digital frees the photographer from the 36-shots-per-roll limitation of 35mm film.   Maybe another topic for Lee's class could be about changing that mindset.

Most pros shot a lot of photos to get one keeper.  You can verify that by reading photgraphy forums and message boards around the  'net.  And think about how a fashion photog works:  The model is moving about, striking different poses, the photog is snapping away, adjusting lighting, snapping some more.  Only one of those shots makes the cover.

And here's a very good reason for agents to shoot their own photos that has nothing to marketing, and everything to do with legal risk management:  Sometimes as you review a bunch of photos to choose the best, you'll notice evidence of a condition that needs to be disclosed --- as in  "Hmmm, I didn't see that water stain under the window before ... have to ask about that".... 

If you had hired a pro, you might never have noticed the water stain.... that came from hillside runoff....  that turned out to indicate a geological issue ..... and disclosing it kept the agent out of court....

6:20am • #10
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Cheryl,

Agreed on the water stain.  Except the old 640x480's don't pick them up... :)  Might be easier to see it in a good pro photo.

Yep, I love my 2 yr old Kodak, and the SD card slot in my laptop!  Perfect!

9:57am • #11

very useful topic.  thanks.

1:10pm • #12
I had forgotten about, "Take Lots of Photos".  I will definitly include that in the class.  I ususally take 50 to 100 photos of every home.  I'll use 10 to 12 of them in the MLS.
9:58pm • #13
JAN
14
2007
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Let us know what topics you decide to cover in your class.  After reading your post, it has become a new subject for our training program!

I am going to create a blog with my initial thoughts for a class now!

THanks

5:02am • #14
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16
2007
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I like this rather recent Canon A630. You may also add a wide angle converter, with a mm of 58 mm which I didn't buy yet! and a telephoto which changes the body's lends by 1.75x. For the moment I am still going through 136 pages of the camera User guide.Its also great for stitching which you can do directly on your lCD, short movies, night shots.I had to boost up the multi media card which was then only a 16Mb to a 256 MB.The quality is quite high even on the automatic mode but am dabbling with some manuals. I am very satisfied with it and also the movies where not bad at all!

I would recommend it for sure. You can also move the LCD 360 degrees.

 

 

  • 8.0-mega-pixel CCD delivering image resolutions as large as 3,264 x 2,448 pixels
  • 2.5-inch color LCD monitor with 115,000 pixels and rotating, swivel design
  • Real-image optical viewfinder
  • Glass, 4x, 7.3-29.2mm lens (equivalent to 35-140mm zoom on a 35mm camera)
  • 4x digital zoom
  • Nine-point auto and manual focus modes, with adjustable AF point
  • Auto-focus assist light
  • Full Automatic, Program auto-exposure, Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority, and full Manual exposure modes, as well as three Scene modes, several Special Scene modes and Movie mode
  • Manually adjustable aperture setting ranging from f/2.8 to f/8.0, depending on lens zoom position and shutter speed
  • Shutter speed range from 1/2,500 to 15 seconds, depending on aperture
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    10:04pm • #15
    FEB
    18
    2007

    Lloyd, Canon makes some really good point-and-shoot cameras and I don't doubt the A630 is a great camera, but I think 28mm on the wide side is a minimum.  I'd really like to get down to around 20mm, but the p&s's don't usually provide that option.

    I suggest you get the wide angle adaptor, then let us know how this camera does.  Memory is so cheap, I would suggest a 1Gb or 2Gb card.  Don't forget extra batteries.  If the camera uses AA batteries, the Ni-MH are pretty good.

    Since I'm now considering a DSLR, it's hard for me to keep the focus on a REALTOR's first digital camera.  Instead of certain manual capabilities, I would say, the first camera would have to be easy to use.  This may mean a lack of manual controls.

    Beyond a minimum wide side of 28mm, I would think low light performance would be nice.  Many of these new cameras have some sort of image stabilization or vibration reduction.  I have no personal experience with this feature, but I would think I could improve the photos of a novice.

    10:41pm • #16
    SEP
    14

    I purchased a Canon SD 800 with built-in wide angle lens.  Works great for real estate.  Simple but yet very versatile and it takes great photos.  And when I wanted to take it scuba diving all I had to do was buy the underwater housing!

    11:42am • #17
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    21

    This was originally posted quite some time ago.  There are much better point and shoot cameras out now, but now that I'm shooting with a DSLR, I have a new recommendation for the best camera for a new agent.  Hire a professional.  You don't have time to become a great photographer right now and there's no way you will come close to the experience a professional photographer has while you are learning to market and selling real estate.

    5:14pm • #18

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