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Landslides. The Steep Slopes and What You Need to Know.

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK 209970

UPDATE: March, 2009

PLEASE KNOW  that all of us at the Eco-Steward Real Estate Firm are Eco Certified® Real Estate  Consultants, and specialize in land carefully and thoughtfully reviewed for eco-friendly development. Also, please know that we consider steep slopes and landslides a potential hazard ( I have personal experience with the result of  flat-lander inexperience in my own neighborhood and decry it)...and that we DO recommend that our clients contact Professionals and bring in a State licensed geotechnical engineer, if necessary ... to look at potential hazards ...  

HERE IN BUNCOMBE COUNTY just this month in fact, we have been having quite a brouhahain terms of Steep Slope development...and landslides ...Fingers have been pointed at Developers, Sellers and at REALTORS® . .. THIS IS ONE Real Estate Firm NOT to be disparaged . Again....in the Eco-Steward Real Estate Firm ALL members are Eco Certified® Real Estate  Consultants, and specialize in land carefully and thoughtfully reviewed for eco-friendly development

I wrote the following post back in 2007....

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Real Estate Investors and Developers with little experience in terms of steep slopes might want to seek out the assistance of an ECO certified REALTOR® and her team of Experts. Here in Western North Carolina, Landslides are a reality as you can see with this graphic shared at a class we recently took with Richard Wooten at the Warren Wilson College Environmental Leadership Centerjust outside of Asheville.

 

Some landslides only consist of soil, called an earthslide. Some are a mixture of soil, rock trees and mud, called a debris flow. Other landslides contain only rock, called a rockfall or rockslide. In any case, it behooves the REALTOR®, and developer to be conscious of that fact, and so advise clients.  Not long ago a developer from a State where mountains are not so common, bought a huge ridge top where he planned to erect 4000 sq ft homes on 1 AC lots and place them atop the lofty peaks. What the developer didn't know was that this" prime acreage" was unstable.

 The result for the developer was a combination of community concern, private embarrassment, and public back-peddling. Once the community found out that the "flatlander" was planning to build on steep slopes in an area prone to landslides, they were (rightly) distressed. Who wants to live downhill from where a landslide might take you for a fast ride in the middle of the night?  For that matter, who would want to invest in a home under those conditions?  Obviously, the community groups reasoned, that developer must not have a clue as to the dangerous conditions with which he was tampering. Shouldn't he at least have looked at the property to see if there were signs of danger such as breaks in the ground surface and/or curved trees?  (see photo below our photographer took at an acreage soon to go on the market.)

Back to the story....Community members, fueled by their feelings of extreme concern,
 formed vocal groups.
They came in noisy  droves to the commissioners' planning board meetings,
making it necessary for the meetings to be moved to larger and larger rooms.

The media picked up on the story. A few months passed. The developer learned that the community groups had hired an attorney. Having done that, the attorney began his process of discovery. He verified that slope stability analyses from the planning through construction and inspection phases of developments can help mitigate the potential for landslide damage.He also found out that the analyses, best done by the cooperative efforts of qualified geotechnical engineers, geologists and soil scientists, were nowhere to be found.

This lack of due diligence
on the part of interested parties created an opening for the community groups to question the safety of the project. They were able temporarily to halt development pending environmental assessment studies and review of steep slope ordinances.

Soon, in our part of the mountains, landslides and potential landslide areas will be mapped.Then investors, developers and REALTORS® will have readily accessible tools with which to identify and disclose that home sites and homes in those areas are vulnerable to landslide. For all of us, it is a good idea to know certain pertinent facts about the topography and geology of a tract of land that go beyond desirability of location.  

What do you think?

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Comments(15)

Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Thta's very interesting janeAnne, It really shows the importance of working with a specialists in the area. I would have never even though about landslides. Like the builder, I would have seen a great view and bought worthless land.
Jan 07, 2007 01:43 AM
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I agree with you, Bryant, It is SO important to take advanatge of local knowledge that people gain by being sensitive to and learning about the ecology of a bioregion. As far as buying land here in the mountains, besides working with a real estate professional, it's a lot about engineering on the steep slopes...and recognizing signs of unstable land.

Jan 07, 2007 10:34 AM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO
And how will clients even know about these potential dangers for homes that have already been built, unless a Realtor is aware enough to bring this issue up.
Jan 14, 2007 12:01 PM
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Bill... In the future, I think land issues such as this may be a material fact..so as you say, we are looking at the evolution of our business. Education is so important. Have you checked out the availability of education on this subject?
Jan 14, 2007 12:22 PM
Anonymous
Sami Forrest

This is critical information for the residents of any mountainous region. I am from Southern California. I lived in Topanga Canyon which borders on Malibu. In Topanga the canyons and steep hills are covered with vegetation.....mostly chapparrel. Anyone who lives in Topanga knows that he or she must be prepared for the next outbreak of fire. It's not a matter of whether there will be another fire.......Simply "when" is the next fire. So Topanga Canyon residents pay attention to weather conditions and acknowledging they live in fire-prone territory they build accordingly. Meaning their homes are built with fire-resistent materials, vegetation is kept away from their homes, Water supplies are at the ready to put out blazes.

 How this translates to Asheville is that the territory is mountainous and soil erosion due to rain and other run-off affects the stability of the soils. Wise and prudent individuals therefore should plan accordingly. The lessons from the 2 hurricanes which left debris and damage here several years ago may just be a warning of what could transpire should we meas with "Mother Nature".

Jan 15, 2007 12:35 AM
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Sami...Great observation...as you say, "territory is mountainous and soil erosion due to rain and other run-off affects the stability of the soils. Wise and prudent individuals therefore should plan accordingly..."
Jan 15, 2007 12:12 PM
Arlene Brown
Eco Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
Landslides could be of serious concern not only because of what they do to the property, but because we may need to mention such dangers in the future.
Jan 21, 2007 06:37 AM
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Arlene...Yes is it s perception that will require more education on the part of professionals in areas where slides are a factor.
Jan 22, 2007 02:46 AM
Anonymous
John Thomas
janeAnne.This is invaluable information for people who do not live in the mountains and want to invest in your area. Do you know if landslide areas can be googled? or mapped?
Jan 23, 2007 06:50 AM
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Devon Thurtle
Heffernan Law Firm - Kirkland, WA
Washington recently designated certain landslide hazard areas, and implemented procedures for designating new sites.  The rules are very controversial, though.
Jan 26, 2007 07:09 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
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JaneAnne..... this is some good information and a great topic for those areas that could experience this.  nice job.
Jan 26, 2007 11:13 AM
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John...At this time I do not know if googling will help That's why your real estate professional is your best resource. S/he can point you in the right direction in terms of a local area. In North Carolina, there soon WILL be mapping service available on line.
Jan 29, 2007 02:10 PM
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Devon... I lived in Washington State for a number of years. I'll be interested to hear from you more about the rules and how they can affect real estate professionals. Please let me know.
Jan 29, 2007 02:11 PM
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Hey Jeff!...Thanks for the compliment and your comment. I agree with you. This is important information. I would not like to be asleep one night and find myself in another place when I awoke. Of course I am making light of a potentially deadly situation...this is serious stuff!  I will be tracking it and will post the latest information as it becomes available.
Jan 29, 2007 02:14 PM
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PLEASE KNOW  that all of us at the Eco-Steward Real Estate Firm are Eco Certified® Real Estate  Consultants, and specialize in land carefully and thoughtfully reviewed for eco-friendly development

Also, please know that we consider ! ( I have personal experience with the result of  flat-lander inexperience in my own neighborhood and decry it)...

 We DO recommend that our clients to contact Professionals and bring in a State licensed geotechnical engineer, if necessary ... to look at potential hazards ...  

HERE IN BUNCOMBE COUNTY just this month in fact, we have been having quite a brouhaha in terms of Steep Slope development...and landslides ...Fingers have been pointed at Developers, Sellers and at REALTORS® . .

NOT having a steep slope review done especially in terms of potential landslides could be risky for you.......and for our brokerage.

Quoting the Citizen-Times: "In Buncombe County, where maps are scheduled to be completed this month, geologists found evidence of 861 landslides, with more than half on manmade slopes... The Southern Environmental Law Center is advocating for a state law based on the hazard mapping data that would require minimum building and grading standards on steep slopes."

The Mountain Blog is quoted  as follows:  "For top dollar you can purchase a potentially landslide-hazardous home site in The Cliffs at High Carolina, Ciel, Brittain Knob, Phoenix Cove, Town Mountain Cove, Reynolds Mountain, The Settings, Versant ( in bankruptcy), Crest Mountain, and Southcliff. No one will tell you, not the seller or your Realtor, that homes built on this land have a questionable future "

Nancy...in the case of Eco-Steward Realty...that certainly is NOT true!

...we do HIGHLY  recommend a review by landslide pros prior to placing  property on the market.  As your representatives, we feel it would be in your best interest to have the green light in terms of eco-safe development CLEARLY noted on the MLS sheet.

Here is a web site for further information. I have met the head of the research team and taken courses from him.
http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Landslide_Info/Landslides_main.htm

 

Mar 19, 2009 03:29 PM