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28 Comments on Negotiating contracts with Limited Service v Exclusive Right of Sale
If we don't maintain order, don't act surprised when chaos comes a knocking...Stick to standard operating procedures
Buyer's agents tend to blow up transactions when they speak directly to the seller (when they just happened to be "passing by the house")
Like the others, I do not see buyer's agents going around me to the seller. If anything, I have occasionally had buyer's calling me, as the listing agent, directly without the knowledge of their agent. As I always tell my clients, it is important to keep your 'cards close,' when dealing with the other party to a transaction.
The flip side of this is being a buyer's agent working with an unrepresented seller (not as common in our area, but it happens). They often expect advice and are unclear on how the process goes. They can 'shoot themselves in the foot' by forgetting for whom we are working. A good agent will do what needs to be done so that their buyer gets the property they want, but it can be a big (unpaid) pain!
As others have mentioned, I think this practice depends on the area also. Like yours, the FLAT FEE/ DISCOUNT or I should say LIMITED SERVICE agents always ask buyers' agents not to negotiate directly with sellers (because they have been warned by our local boards that it is clearly a violation). They ask BA to fax in offers directly to sellers, and copy the listing agent. Then guess who responds to the offer?
Sellers fail to see how this impede a successful negotiation. Clearly no knowledge of how the system works (most sellers I would say).
Gotta echo the others, it's just not done here. Even the most incompetent agent should know that that's a no-no and could result in major damage to their career. Hopefully this is an isolated incident for you and won't happen again.
Every once in awhile we see these listings but I didn't know the practice was going on. Maybe the agents don't want to know the rules here? They think it is part of their job?
Keith, I will echo what just about everyone else has said above. I have been a Realtor for tens of years, and I have never had it come up that a Buyer's Agent went and tried to negotiate directly with a seller whose home I had listed with an Exclusive Right to Sell listing... not a limited services one. Honestly, I am wondering if you just made this topic up to have something to write about.
A buyer agent should know better than to talk directly to a seller about price and terms. Clearly unethical.
I have never heard of this happening here and any agent who did this would have a complaint filed against them.
Karen Anne - it's an ad disguised as a blog...check out his profile and click on the links in the blog...
Diana... that is so funny. This post is simply an ad that he has re-printed... and then equally funny... is that the first comment is a drag-and-drop serial comment that I have seen the commentor make time and time again... night after night.
And these people think we don't NOTICE silliness like this ?
Diana... thanks for the heads-up. I should have known... but it was pretty early when I made my comment. It usually takes me awhile to wake up. Hope you are well... my friend and former Mentor'ite. :)
Oh... and to make it even funnier... the post gets a Gold Star. Uh huh. Right !
A Realtor who goes around the seller’s Realtor is in clear violation of the Realtor Code of Ethics and should be held accountable.
A client should be counseled to refer any inquiries from buyers or agent to their own Realtor.
Karen Anne - LOL! Knowing you as I do, you would have come back later to read the comments and figured it out on your own...it was actually your comment that prompted me to check the profile and links as I was saying to myself "@#$%^&*!@#%%^" (nothing I can type here...)...
And don't even get me started on the serial commenters! You have to get up pretty early in the morning to fool these old former Mentor-ites!!! The Gold Star on this amazes me...I am still scratching my head trying to figure out the feature system...Hope you are doing well, my friend...
I haven't experienced anyone trying to pull an end run on me. Is this perhaps a more localized occurance?
Good point. I think most agents do not realize that one has a contractual relationship to represent the seller, and what you describe is a tortious interference with a contractual relationship, which is actionable in law. If the other agent is a Realtor, it can be handled through the Pro Standards committee of you board.
Go get them... I also think that the general public does not understand the laws of agency as well...
I haven''t seen that in my area.....
I don't see this a lot. The big danger is when the seller is present while showing and then some agents/buyers fish for info. Keep the Seller out of the house.
things like this happen because of greed and because in desparate times, people do desparate things
Hi Keith, excellent post. So far I have never found myself in a limited service agency. Hopefully never will.
I had this happen with 2 different clients within two weeks...one was in Sarasota, the other in Clearwater. Both were exclusive right of sale listing clients. I have over 50 Exclusive Right listings so maybe I have more exposure because of this. However, it should not ever be happening. I did report the agent who had made repeated contacts with my client of which he informed me. Since the MLS clearly states the listing type there is absolutely no excuse for this.
Keith, I can honestly say that after almost 11 years, and over 50 million in transactions, I don't remember a single time when a buyer's agent tried to go around me as the listing agent to negotiate directly with the seller. If this happens as frequently in the Miami market as you insinuate in your post, I am extremely glad I don't work or live there! God bless your heart for putting up with those kinds of agents...