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Many of us have noticed that Countrywide's stock price is down 20% this morning, into the $6 range. The price is down based on rumors of a credit downgrade and possible bankruptcy filing.

An business partner of mine, who works for a large investment bank, wrote to me and said, “Investors are literally buying thousands upon thousands of puts to bet on its demise - keep in mind every thousand puts is equivalent to 100K shares of stock - I have seen about 100K puts change hands myself - that's 10 million shares.”

As I have said in the past, although few of us really like and enjoy working with Countrywide, they are indeed the “canary in the coal mine” for our industry, always trading #1 & #2 with Wells Fargo, and one must wonder if CFC does have to go Chapter 11, what are the implications?

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15 Comments on What Happens If Countrywide BKs?

I sure don't think it would be a good thing. I am not a real advocate for the government stepping in and helping, but in this case it might be the right thing to do.

01/08/2008 12:41 PM by Greg Knowles Santa Barbara Ca. (Lawyers Title Co.)


This would be horrible, I don't like the rumors but they may be true.

01/08/2008 12:47 PM by Elaine Stewart, Palm Springs Real Estate (Remax Real Estate Consultants - Platinum Club Member)


Definitely not a good thing for anyone. I really cannot see this happening despite the signs you mentioned.

01/08/2008 12:47 PM by Graham Holmes - Yucaipa Hemet REO Homes (Reviron Realty - Realtor e-Pro Bank Owned Specialists)


I'm a little skeptical myself of Countrywide. Everywhere you look the media says that in 2008 consumers will no longer be able to get loans unless they have stellar credit, and a good chunk of money, as well as a good steady job history. This is not the case with countrywide. With just a 680 and 5% down you can get a no doc loan with a decent interest rate. Is that really much different than before. As far as I know it isn't different at all. Maybe Countrywide just hasn't learned there lesson because they keep getting away with interesting lending practices.

01/08/2008 12:47 PM by Monte Rose (Balsley Losco)


One more downgrade on it's rating and it will be junk.

01/08/2008 12:49 PM by John Walters (Specialized Real Estate)


Monte, I think you are on to something there, though I would say the failure to learn lessons covers the entire spectrum of lending money, including credit cards.  With all the reckless lending practices backed by bait-and-switch loansharking, it's no wonder consumers feel justified gaming the system and declaring BK.  Who gets stuck with the bill?  Those of us who actually pay our mortgages and credit cards because our rates have been inflated to cover recklessness on the part of the lenders.  And when they go bankrupt, our debts will be sold.  The bankrupt lenders won't have to pay anyone (corporate management won't have to give back all the bonus money they looted by gaming the system), but we'll still have to pay what we owe.

01/08/2008 01:01 PM by Frank Jewett (tech4REpros)


Jason, you always bring precise content to your blogs that makes me think.  If Countrywide goes under, it stands to reason that more of the larger banks will pull their wholesale legs out of the business.  That would be bad for the consumer and bad for those of us who depend on the wholesale side of the business.

I remember reading a while back that a lot of people think that BofA will purchase CW.  Only time will tell.

01/08/2008 02:03 PM by Kate Bourland; Redding Mortgage, Debt Elimination (Windsor Capital, Dyer Beech & U First Financial)


If I rememeber, B of A has already purchased 12 billion dollars worth of stock at $17. With the stock at $6 B Of A just got themselves some additional writedowns.

01/08/2008 02:11 PM by Scott Dovala Santa Rosa Mortgage and Home Loans (Ascent Home Loans)


When their bond rating ticks ONE notch lower, it will be junk rated and pension funds will be obligated to sell off if they haven't already.  This will be the haymaker that hits them in the 11th round.

Rumor has it that Orangelo Mozillo has been vacationing in Dubai and the Emerities, trying to raise about $6billion in the form of a Soveriegn Investment Fund...

...he was trying to keep his identity a secret by dressing in a Berka.

01/08/2008 02:58 PM by Rich Sweum (Homestead Mortgage)


Jason,

Washington is probably working feverishly trying to avoid Countrywide's BK, because that would shake the confidence factor in mortgage lending. The best bet is that someone will buy it out, at a very low price and keep it going. Many thought the buy-out would already happen last fall.

01/08/2008 04:08 PM by Esko Kiuru - Las Vegas NV Mortgage Consultant (Sinifox Financial)


Lender guidlines are getting tighter by the day.  This means there will be less and less people that will qualify for a mortgage.  With the number of mortgage companies currently doing business here in the USA, and a lower number of qualified Buyers- that means consolidation in the mortgage industry as well as real estate Brokers and Agents.

As far as Countrywide itself, I have my mortgages through them and I love their service and their website!  I would hate to see that go away!

01/08/2008 04:21 PM by Rick Tourgee - Provincetown and Cape Cod (Century 21 Shoreland)


Hey Jason.  I'm with Rich, CW is teetering on the brink of destruction (got a good chuckle out of the Mozillo comment).  BOA has to step in and be the python to gobble up this cow or we could see a serious stock market meltdown.  You saw what happened to the DOW today based on the CW rumors; imagine if they were confirmed.  Thanks for the brain teaser.

01/08/2008 04:26 PM by Mike Tullio, Blue Skye Lending


Hi Jason,
I am not in the mortgage business, just a lowly real estate agent so my knowledge is not as extensive as those of you in the business but the possibility seems real and scary.

01/09/2008 05:06 AM by Cynthia Tilghman, Realtor® Onslow County NC Home Specialist (Kingsbridge Realty, Inc)


Jason, a change is definately coming. the fear of the unknown continously paralyzes the market. We are without a doubt at a turning point in our economic market. I am certain your "canary in the coal mine" is a close parallel to the actual situation.

01/10/2008 02:42 AM by Dionne Morgan REALTOR®,GRI, e-PRO (Realty World Solano Realty)


What I am hearing from my sources is that the BK rumor is only a rumor.  I trust my sources.

01/10/2008 08:01 AM by Don Draughn - Debt Counselor (Financial Debt Freedom)


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