I recently got a comment on one of my posts, "Stop Blaming The Mortgage Broker" from a member of the general public, who was, shall we say, not convinced by the arguments that I made in that posting.  Her specific comment was,

"Interest only loans, and some ARMs ought to have never been allowed.  Whoever allowed these frauds to be perpetrated on the unsuspecting comsumer should be in jail.  Is it the baby's fault he chewed on a poisonous toy from China?  You Cowards."

And while I understand the frustration that her and many like her have with the whole mess, I think that herA coward comment illustrates that many in the general public still want to place the blame for the current mortgage crises at the feet of the mortgage brokerage industry.  To do this is simply and utterly wrong!

As I pointed in that post and in others, it wasn't the brokers who developed these products, underwrote them or funded them.  We simply originated them.

Now, again as I pointed out in that post, I'm not excusing any bad behavior on the part of many brokers.  If someone lied, cheated or stole, then they need to be tried and, if convicted, put in jail and/or fined.  

But, if they were on the up and up.  Properly disclosed to the borrower all the terms of the program and were simply doing their job, then leave them alone!  It's no different than Sears selling someone a law mower.  If they were properly disclosed to as to the dangers involved in that particular product and they chose to move forward, then the blame should lie with the borrower.  Nobody put a gun to these people's head!

In this lady's comment she says;

"Interest only loans, and some ARMs ought to have never been allowed." 

I disagree.  In the right circumstances, with the right borrower, even the payment option arms had their place.  I put a close relative of my girlfriend in one.  She had a bunch of charge card debt that she was paying 18, 19 and as high as 24% on.  We put her on the payment option arm, she made her house payment at the teaser rate, which freed up her income to pay down the charge card debt.  Which she did in less than 18 months.  At which time we refinanced her back onto a 30 year fixed rate.  

The program worked like a charm for her.  Should she had been denied the opportunity to utilize this program because some borrowers (many less than the press would lead you to believe, by the way). got in over their heads or made bad decisions?

The lady also says;

"Whoever allowed these frauds to be perpetrated on the unsuspecting comsumer (sic) should be in jail."

Man behind barsTo this I say, if it was fraud, then I agree.  They should be put in jail and/or fined.  However, let's be careful exactly what fraud is.  Simply putting somebody on one of these loans, isn't fraud!  Again, if the broker properly disclosed to the borrower and the borrower decided that they wanted to move forward, then that is simply a business transaction.  Nothing more!

She goes on to say;

 

 

 

"Is it the baby's fault he chewed on a poisonous toy from China?"

My reply; No, it's not the baby's fault of course, but is this the same thing as selling a legal product?  In her example there was a law broken.  It is illegal to import to the US any toy that contains over a certain amount of lead in or on it.  

When I originated an interest only loan or a payment option arm, they were legal products to sell.  I also had to disclose to them the terms of the mortgage, that is;

1) The amount they were borrowing.

2) Their interest rate.

3) Their "APR".

4) If it was an adjustable, the specifics about this particular adjustable including the index that the loan was based upon, the margin and the adjustment period.

5) How much their closing costs were going to be.

6) How much I, as the broker, was going to be making on this transaction.

7) The historic performance of the particular index that the loan was associated with.

I also had to point out several other things to the borrower such as that there is the possibility that if they shoppedNice watches around that they could possibly get a better deal that what I was offering.  Can you imagine a car dealer, a jeweler, or any other kind of merchant being required to tell their customer,

"Oh, by the way, just in case you didn't know it.  There is a possibility that if you shopped around some more that you might be able to get a better deal elsewhere!"

Yeah, right!  The wild thing is that these facts are disclosed to the borrower at least 3 times, sometimes as many as 5 times!  Yep!  The poor borrower!  They "weren't told".  Bxllshit!

Don't get me wrong.  I do feel for people who got in over their heads and I've come out for the government stepping in to buy these mortgages (at a steep discount - I wouldn't want this to turn into a bunch of fat cats sucking at the government tit) and then working out as many of these loans as possible.  You can read my plan in my post, "I'm From The Government".

All that said, people and politicians should cool their jets.  If you're going to access blame, put the blame where it should be.  On the Wall Street types who created, underwrote and funded these mortgages and the borrowers who took the chance.  Not the mortgage broker!

 

R.B. "Bob" Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.
 

Bob Mitchell is the president of ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc., St. Louis' largest discount/full-service real estate and mortgage company.  To find out more about Bob, ValueList or our flat-fee listing program please feel free to visit our web page, valuelistre.com 

 

 

 

10 Comments on Stop Blaming The Mortgage Broker II

JAN
09
2008
205,796 Points 19 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Bob,

Your Lady Antagonist demonstrates a sound byte education and a politically correct mentality. It's PC to blame the mortgage brokers and lenders, PC to stop making your mortgage payments, and PC to demand a short sale for the debtor's connivance.

We've seen this before, when Germany's economy went bad in the 1930's it was PC to blame the Jews. Your Lady is no different, and no more correct.

Bill

1:18am • #1
147,487 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Bill:  Thank you for your support.  I don't mean to be harsh, but you hit it right on the head.  The politicians and a good percentage of the population wants it to be simple and easy....that sound bite mentality is a good way to put it.  Thanks for the comment.
9:03am • #2
271,088 Points 41 Featured Posts Outside Blog
BOB - People just love to have scapegoats because they don't want to ever admit that they made a mistake.  Not everything is a conspiracy.  Sometimes we just make bad choices.  I've done it myself, but I know that it was my fault, and not someone else's.
9:24am • #3
147,487 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Adam:  I guess that it is hard for people to accept that they made a bad decision.  As you said, you've made them and for sure, I've made them.  I was rehabbing not one house, but two when the market swung south.  Buying both of these properties seemed like a good idea when we did it.  

If I had made money on them, I wouldn't have bitched (as I've not bitched from previous properties) and I'm not going to bitch now that I lost money on one!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

9:42am • #4
184,930 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I'm with you on this.  The news outlets write to a particular audience.  (Though, for that alone, I am loathe to call them news outlets)  That the general population should swallow this hook, line and sinker is almost as bad as the Democrats swallowing the whole Iraq debacle.

Sorry - I'm mixing metaphors.

9:50am • #5
147,487 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Matthew:  I love the mixed metaphors!  My current gripe with the national media is that they seem to be trying to make the primaries two horse races.  Last night I watched NBC's national news broadcast and I don't think that they even mentioned how the rest of the field came in.

It's like if they didn't win, then they don't matter.  If you would like to read a good post about my take on the news media, check out my post, "Man Found Frozen

Thanks for the comment.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

9:57am • #6
JAN
14
2008
I agree with you on many levels, certainly there are Crooks in almost all Professions, one thing that Consumers don't want to admit is that they make a bad choice by getting a creative type home loan, but this is not new for those of you that can remember, FHA-221d2, FHA-235,FHA-245, all these were bad loan programs that looked good on the drawing board
Roger
8:34am • #7
147,487 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Thanks for the comment Roger!  I can't say that I remember those loan programs, at least not by their number.  But you're right as far as the consumer at least sharing in the responsibility!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

4:27pm • #8
The consumer should definitely share the reponsibility.  They sign the contract to the home loan.  Nobody is putting a knife to their throat.
4:40pm • #9
JAN
15
2008
147,487 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Marc:  Thanks for the comment.  You're right that nobody is MAKING these folks take these loans.  That said, they should take the final responsibility.  If someone is being shady, then that PERSON needs to be tried and if convicted, then fined or jailed or both.  

I wish people would open their eyes on this issue.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

9:37am • #10

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