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Who Is Foreclosing? Frequently Asked Question.

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

The question may sound strange, but it shouldn’t. Who is foreclosing on the properties? Bank is not the only one that does it. While I am not an attorney, and can''t cover all possible scenarios, I am discussing my experience with foreclosure auctions in the Volusia County Courthouse, which I have attended in the last 3 years.

And, of course, in the overwhelming majority of cases the plaintiff is the Lender. But it is not the only foreclosing party. Here in Florida we also see Homeowners and Condo owners Associations, which foreclose for non-payment of Association Dues and/or Special Assessments.

What is the difference for an investor? And even is there the difference? Big time. Because even though the foreclosure does not wipe out all liens, usually it is not a big concern as overwhelming majority of liens will be wiped out in the foreclosure.

However, when the association forecloses on the property, they always foreclose subject to first lien. If there is a mortgage, then you do not wipe out this mortgage, and eventually the Lender can still foreclose on the property used as collateral.

I have seen investors, who would buy a property where the plaintiff is the association, hoping that then they can negotiate with the bank. Maybe they know the trick, something that I do not know, but there may be a surprise for these investors. The bank gave the money to a person, and their relationship is with this person. The fact that you now own the unit does not make you a part of this person’s mortgage, and does not give you the right to talk to the bank regarding compromising this mortgage.

You may end up with the Bank foreclosing on you, as the owner. No, you are not liable for the loan, nobody will go after you for the money, but the only way the Bank can do it in Florida is to foreclose and take the property back.

So, you may hurt your credit and end up losing whatever you bought it for at the foreclosure auction.

Virginia Hepp - Mesquite NV REALTOR
Desert Gold Realty - Mesquite NV Homes For Sale - Mesquite, NV
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Jon, I have never been to an auction, would be interesting, even though I seldom deal with foreclosures.

I know that some of those HOA liens can be huge, the attorneys who handle collections charge huge fees, and re-file the lien for the HOA every few months and the attorney fees go up and up and up.....  Usually many times more than the actual past due HOA fees.

Jun 12, 2012 02:03 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jon, this is something that broke my myth. I always used to think that once association forecloses, all other parties are 'gone' - but not true, as you mentioned. Interesting how we learn something new everyday here at ActiveRain.

Jun 12, 2012 02:09 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Virginia - this is true. Interest, attorneys fees and late fees make this number dangerously big very quickly

Jun 12, 2012 02:41 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Sorry, Praful. At least not in Florida  :)

Jun 12, 2012 02:43 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Jon,

Great post!

Consumers just don't know!

It's rare that a lien holder can auction off more than he owns! (Remember! Property taxes have first rights, HOA's second then even the IRS only has rights based on the date of recording.)  There are exceptions, we have one here in Texas, but in the only test case the jury ignored every thing and the Judge ignored his duty so the question is still unsettled.

Like so much in real estate Consumers shouldn't be with out component professional help.

Bill

Jun 13, 2012 05:31 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
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Are you saying that bidders at an auction in Florida can end up buying the property from the HOA without realizing there is an underwater mortgage attached to it? Who would do such a thing? What an awful way to learn a horrible lesson.

Jun 14, 2012 03:57 AM