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You want what and where...and you qualify for how much ?

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This morning I had a couple come into the office that was referred to me. They sat down eager and ready to make a purchase of their new home. They had begun to take the necessary steps in getting pre-qualified for a home. Currently, they are in a rental, in a county that they don't like or want to be in. Their goal is to move to Crossville, TN and be closer to Mom.

I began asking them questions like okay, what type of home are you looking for...2, bedroom, 3 bedroom and so on..I moved on to what area's do they like most in Crossville ? Do they want to be in the city or the county for example. I shifted the conversation to what they qualified for ? How much home could I find them based on the information provided by their lender. I was informed at that time they qualified based on their income for a home in the $30,000 to $40,000 range. Needless to say, that is not a lot of money or a lot of house. Nor are their a lot of options in that price range.

In Tennessee Manufactured Homes can be found and purchased within this price range but require work as well. I informed my new potential buyers that a lot of things needed to happen before we could conduct our property search and tour. Unfortunately, my clients did not understand nor ask the questions that should have been asked or at the very least been provided to them by their potential mortgage lender.

I had concerns with many issues throughout our conversation. Although Manufactured Homes / Mobile Homes could be sought after there are criteria's that need to be met before lending will occur ( at least that is what we have been advised of ) For example, many lenders require a Mobile Home to be on a permanent foundation before lending can occur and it has to be a double wide. Rarely do single-wides qualify for lending. Based on her information provided to me on her credit score she was skating the line of what I have been instructed as a credit score to qualify for a mobile home. 3 of the homes she came in with the intention to look at was that of a single wide mobile home. I say she, because she has the only source of income being Social Security and her husband has none.

As I further spoke with her and her husband they had no real idea if they only qualified for a site built home or had also been qualified for a manufactured/mobile. Although I am taking a guess her Mortgage guy assumed they understand site built they did not. All they new was the amount they qualified for. They have no money down and no money for closing cost's. Their Mortgage Professional threw a pre-qualifying amount at them and sent them to find the home of their dreams ! Although the Mortgage Company has no control over someone's income and qualifying amount their ARE things buyers need to know besides go find your house but do not exceed $40,000.

I wonder, did the Mortgage Company play nice and say yes, go for it..knowing that is an impossible find ...or...does the Mortgage Company feel that we as Realtors can wave some sort of magic wand...find a seller with a $30,000 house, make an offer and yet ask the seller to also pay for closing cost's ? With little to no education at all on the type of home they could purchase although eager and ready to purchase ...turned quickly into many questions unanswered

When I brought up closing cost's associated to the purchase of a new home, their response was :

He said, we will put that into the loan. Okay, great, however is that included into the qualifying of your $30-$40,000 benchmark or after. That changes the price of the home I have to look for.

I further explained that no matter the house, it will have to pass an inspection. Fixer- uppers in the $30,000 range probably will not ( especially around here ). They had no idea of inspections.

Their primary goal was to find a nice home, preferably 2-3 bedrooms with 2 baths, but would perhaps settle on 1 bath, with some sort of an out building. On at least 1 acre in a part of town that also requires a Home Owners Association Fee. Not understanding paying a monthly or annually homeowners association fee would further reduce their income, hence possibly lowering the amount of home they qualify for and with income of only $660.00 per month we are certaintly skating a very fine line.

In the end there are a lot of unanswered questions that primarily the Mortgage Company needs to answer.

Moral : Buyers NEED to be educated. Realtors cannot do it all. We have our area of expertise, mortgage companies have theirs, right along with inspectors, etc. I am not speaking of a whole to the Mortgage Company Industry. I am speaking of the ones who know we as Realtors will have a better chance of finding a needle in a haystack but you send off the potential buyer, uneducated on the Mortgage process leaving us, the Realtors to be the barer of bad news only to send them back to you for you to answer the questions only you as the Mortgage Lender knows.

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Comments(18)

Chris Pollinger
Berman & Pollinger, LLC. - San Diego, CA
Consulting for Luxury Teams and Brokerages

Bravo!  Keep up the good work and thank you for adding a bit of perspective to the world around you.

 

Capre diem,

 

Chris

Jan 11, 2008 04:01 AM
Linda Futral
Newnan, GA
Melissa I commend you for at least taking the time with this couple.  This is something that I see a lot of dealing with first time home buyers in a rural area.  You are all to right in the undereducation of these clients.  Keep up the good work.
Jan 11, 2008 04:41 AM
No Longer Active
Real Estate - Fallon, MT
Great information Melissa.... With a monthly income that looks more like a weekly pay check it leads to many more unknowns for me....  Age or the potential buyers,  Why doesn't the husband work?   Maybe they are better off finding a rental for a year and getting in better shape to purchase.
Jan 11, 2008 05:47 AM
Vanessa Stalets
RE/MAX Elite - Brentwood, TN
REALTOR, Brentwood TN Homes, Real Estate

Sounds a lot like the people I did my blog on in Dec, You want what? Where? For How Much?

They seem to just be very uneducated about how the home buying process goes...

Jan 11, 2008 08:58 AM
Elizabeth Nieves
The Elizabeth Nieves Realty Group - Durham, NC
Bilingual Raleigh - Durham North Carolina Real Estate Team
MELISSA-  That sounds like a conversation that I've had many times. Sadly...when I try to get real answers in these situations...I often run into a brick wall. This is my least favorite part of this business...having to burst someone's bubble because someone else told them what they wanted to hear...not the truth. Luv ya, girl!!!
Jan 11, 2008 09:19 AM
Cris Burlew
Beach & Luxury Realty, Inc. - Saint Pete Beach, FL
Broker ~ St Pete Beach FL Real Estate

Congratulations on doing the right thing and educating the buyers. Now, they have to go back to the mortgage person and get those questions answered in order to be better prepared to understand the whole process.

You are so right on financing mobiles...it's not easy and there are certain criteria to be met. You also have to take into account the age of the home. We run into that here in Florida.

Good luck with these people.

Jan 11, 2008 11:45 AM
Carol Smith
Casmi Photography - Mebane, NC

Melissa - this happens way too often.  It seems, from your story, that this LO should have told these people that what they qualify for and what is realistic are miles apart.  Perhaps to advise them to consider renting an apartment/house that could be partially subsidized would have been in their best interest.  It sounds like they are a couple that needs assistance, not a mortgage payment.

You're lucky if you can get a manufactured home financed down there.  It's real close to impossible here.  Not many lenders that will even consider them.

I hope this works out for all concerned. 

Jan 11, 2008 12:15 PM
Alexander Harb
Knights Investing - Mesquite, TX
Dallas, Texas Real Estate Investing

Melissa.....

Did you get these people from a mortgage company you regularly do business with, or did they walk into your office after talking to a just any ole mortgage company?

If you work with these loan officers in an agreement between your company and their financing corporation, I would go and have an educational seminar about financing and the reality of looking for a home people can afford from your perspective, not theirs...

Because those loan officers are certainly NOT thinking from your perspective.... OR any sound financial perspective, in my opinion.....

It seems like they just gave the buyers some high hopes, blew into thier ears and sent them on thier way.... to find you.....

Jan 11, 2008 12:56 PM
Melissa Grant
A Serendipity World - Greenbackville, VA
The Law of Attraction In Life & Business

Everyone - Thank you for your comments. I am really pressed for time but will try to come back and answer each of you individually.

As a whole - These people were referred to me by a Lender " who heard I can do it all " I have been known to go outside the realm and even work deals out with FSBO's for clients and everybody wins. However, with an income of $660.00 per MONTH, I do not understand how they qualified at all...I am still awaiting the Lender to call me back as well. I was totally flabbergasted at the fact that the lending side did not educate these buyers at all on the common side of lending, inspections etc.

With a 617 credit score that is really skating the line of qualifying for a manufactured loan. In many cases the lenders I work with regularly can sometimes put them through with a 620 but with that the buyer needs to understand there will be at least 3-5 % out of pocket.

The husband does not work due to a back injury related to on the job. He has hired an Attorney to help file and secure Social Security Benefits. At this point I have advised the potential buyers unless their lender calls me back with more info and we happen to find a $30,000 home I feel they should wait to purchase until all matters with extra income from the SSD come through. This will increase their income by another $800.00.

My next concern and I relayed this is that they are currently paying only $200.00 per month in rent. In the scheme of things now that leaves them with $460.00 per month. With a mortgage and cost's associated with owning a home...not being able to call the landlord with repairs etc they are stretching their budget. Plus their are taxes, insurance involved as well.

I think they finally got the picture....hopefully. I think they lender won't call me back 'cause he know I am going to rip him a new one :)

Jan 11, 2008 01:10 PM
Alexander Harb
Knights Investing - Mesquite, TX
Dallas, Texas Real Estate Investing

I have a question...can you finance a person with a 612 score and 10% down with an income of 800-2000 per month undocumented (because the person is a waiter at a restaurant)?

I am sure the 10% down will clinch the deal, but I am asking, becuse you seem to be able to put some kind of deal together like that.....

What say you, Melissa?

Can ya do it?

huh, huh, huh...can ya can ya?

;-)

Jan 11, 2008 04:33 PM
Kris Wales
Keller Williams Realty - Lakeside Market Center - Macomb, MI
Real Estate Blog & Homes for Sale search site, Macomb County MI

Melissa, as I read this I was becoming more and more angry at how these poor people had no idea of not only the costs involved, but that their income could not possibly sustain a purchase.

You did a great job in educating them, and I hope they will wait until their income increases with the SSDI.  In the meantime I would stay in touch with them and perhaps encourage them to save for good faith deposit, homeowners insurance and a "rainy day" fund.  

I would love to have a chat with the mortgage lender that "helped" them... 

Jan 11, 2008 10:25 PM
Neal Bloom
Brokered by eXp Realty LLC - Weston, FL
Realtor CRS-Weston FL Real Estate

Melissa,

It's called the American dream...consumers dream until they can really sit down and figure the numbers out...but most of them do that after they waste valuable time when they should be doing this part first.

Jan 11, 2008 11:13 PM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic
Well i've seen this happen before and they told me that that the lender said there are lots of houses in that price range. If one realtor can't find it another can. We should be on the same page don't you think.
Jan 12, 2008 03:19 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE
If it's one thing I respect you for..you make sure your clients are not overextending themselves. I have seen so many who just want to sell a house and a loan and not even taking into consideration the ramifications to their client should they proceed with trying to purchase.
Jan 12, 2008 07:55 AM
Vinnie Vacca
DPR Realty LLC. - Glendale, AZ
Glendale Arizona, Arrowhead Ranch
Hey Melissa, Sounds like you had to put on all your hats for this one. Not only is this not fair for you, but I'm sure the buyers were very disappointed with the reality of purchasing a home.
Jan 12, 2008 08:17 AM
Melissa Grant
A Serendipity World - Greenbackville, VA
The Law of Attraction In Life & Business

Alexander - I am NOT a lender so the deal no, I cannot put through. However, let's say the Lender said they qualified for a home of $150,000...Lets say their income is only $1500.00 per month. Depending on their interest rate their mortgage will run with taxes and insurance ( a rough estimate ) between $500-$600 per month. Taking into account if they have children or don't that leaves say roughly $900.00 a month, rounding everything up. There is food, utilities, misc expenses out of that 900.

I would advise my clients that just because they qualify for that much home does not mean they have to spend it all !!! Leave within your means...not hope you get the means !

Can I find them an $80,000 house,..you bet...

However, the chances of them getting a NO DOC loan with a 612 credit score even with 10% down is unheard of in my area ! So all the above...simply wouldn't apply unless a lender around here has changed something...and hasn't told us on NO Doc loans.

612 credit score with 10% down will put someone here in a home with a 520 credit score providing they do not have $5,000 or more in collections, some companies allow only for $500.00 whereas others require all collections to paid by closing with receipt in hand.

So there are a lot of variables involved in your question !

Jan 12, 2008 01:50 PM
Stella Barbour
NoVa Brokers LLC - Vienna, VA
Principal Broker, Serving Virginia and Maryland
I don't think I could sell them a home on that salary.  I would worry about it.
Jan 12, 2008 02:05 PM
BLR Guy
BLRGUY(Beach & Luxury Realty Inc) - Saint Pete Beach, FL
How on god's green earth nowadays can anyone survive just making $660 a month?With the price of gas and food etc etc....how can they even rent?
Jan 12, 2008 09:34 PM