I think it was 2005, when The Devlin Group announced their next development - Ocean Sands condominium in Daytona, an absolutely gorgeous 19-story modern luxury building.

Ocean Villas Condominium was under construction, all units were pre-sold, and prices started from $1 Mil and up. It was a huge success, and the next building was promising to be an even bigger success.

My client wanted to reserve the unit in Ocean Sands, and I showed up at the sales office of the developer, where the party was about to start, and the reservation list was supposed to be filled fast.

I was not invited, but I asked for the agent with whom I worked on a buyer of a unit in Ocean Villas. She came to me and I wanted to give her the check for $15,000 to reserve the unit.

She did not take the check from me. This list was open only to those, who had purchased something from the Devlin Group before. And my client did not buy anything from them yet.

So, I returned the check to my client. He was unwanted in this new development.

Time has brought some changes to the market, and Ocean Sands has never been built. When the market started getting softer, all those reservations started disappearing, and they never got 51% of units pre-sold, so that they could get the financing.

This was not the only condo project where we could not get in with our client’s money, and now we can buy any unit there for half of that initial price.

Of course, only in those projects, which were built. Many of them never made it.

This is called market, and it is even less predictable than Florida weather.

P.S. How many agents were saying that this was the last chance to buy something on the ocean for those prices.

Now, after years in this slow market, did they mean that it was the last chance to pay $1 Mil for what is now $500K?

Shouldn't we all be careful with statements like that?

 
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It often amazes me when I see a developer, builder, agent or other entity marketing real estate try to use their position of control to avoid paying a co-op.

We don't forget their past practices.

Investors in that condo project probably lost a bundle.  The developer got what they deserved.  They were not just discriminating against you and avoiding the co-op.  They were also telling prospective buyers that, if they wish to have their own agent, they would have to pay outside the transaction and therefore incur a cost above the cost of the home.

When our market for new homes was quite insane in the 2004-2006 years, Toll Bros. reduced their broker co-op down to 1/3 of what it had been and what other builders were paying us.  Further, to get a buyer registered required going through a gauntlet of procedures designed to encourage home buyers to buy without the benefit of an agent.  I never forgot. 

That's a culture with a few builders.  They may claim that they are "broker friendly", but their actions show otherwise.  Every Toll Bros. home I've sold required that I work hard to assist the buyer through the building process but must also work hard to retain my representation of that buyer.  Toll Bros. does what they can to avoid broker fees.

They believe that we forget.  We do not forget.

 

3:21am • #1
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We don't have as many condo projects in our market....and no developers at any time that we know that were quite so unfriendly....and what is that they say about Karma...hmmmm

3:33am • #2
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I agree with Lenn above.  We will NEVER forget.  However, with  new agents constntly coming on the market,there are those that never experienced what we had to go through...  She is absolutely correct in her assessment though, so let the builders beware.  Same with Banks.  

Jon, you are correct in your assessment that we never should use comments like that.  None of us control the market.

3:50am • #3
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Lenn - this is yet another topic. I also remember how we spent the night standing in line to make reservations for our several clients to the enjoyment of mosquitoes... and in the morning I was #4 and I was told that the units that we wanted were not available as developer was holding them fortheir emoloyees.

I had my whole small office out there as we were not allowed to register more than one client per agent... And yes, the commission was noticeably reduced...

But what surprises me is that we do not learn. I read all those "this is the best time to buy" titles, and I am trying to remember those, warning that it wasn't a good time, and can't.

But we all know that there are not only the best times

6:26am • #4
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Sally & David - here it was quite obvious. And how it all changed. I do not know about Karma, as I think the minute the market gets crazy, the players would turn to same crazy stuff again.

And it is not only developers. Municipalities here were the most obnoxious with developers, twisting their arms beyond imagination.

Now, that there is no development and a lot of fenced land on the ocean, they would be so happy if anybody comes and starts building, but a few years ago it was pure insanity

6:31am • #5
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Gary - we are not saints, I made the mistake orbeing overly confindent in the direction of the market, and I have a few customers who did not buy into that and they remind me of my failed forecasts.

I hope I am getting wiser with that.

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Wow, Jon.  That's quite a story, but I bet it's one that has played out a time or two along the strip.  It's never good to be arrogant in this business.  Happy Sunday!

7:12am • #7
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Mike - at that time it was not that unusual to run into the obstacles like these. Not all money was equal :0

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Jon, Remember when agents would put, "This will not last!" in their MLS listings and the line is still there six months later when the listing expired.  I hope we are all smart enough now not to make assertions that we have no control over.  We can only make comparisons about value in relationship to what is currently on the market or what has recently sold.

7:44am • #9
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Gail - this is true, I see this line and then you check DOM and it is 465 days. Time is measured differently, I guess.

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