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12 Comments on Realtors OPPOSE CA 'Homeowners Bill of Rights'.
The intent of this bill is good but the execution is flawed. Consumers need a weapon against banks because the banks have a "my way or the highway" mentality. However, this legislation IS NOT the way to do it. Any time the lawyers get involved like this, the money and power goes to them and nobody wins.
Here is the worst part - being self employed I cannot even get un employment. To date this has been the best year I have had in a long time. I want to keep working.
Bryan - absolutely correct. Anybody working this market knows the issues we face but this isn't the fix. Our local market has also been very strong this spring. We currently have 1 month inventory and this will do nothing to improve that. It will also enable people to stay in their homes without paying for even longer - just delaying the inevitable. Why must we always err so heavily on the side of the 'victim'.
Keep plugging Gene. It has been a good year so far.
As long as the banks are following real property law and foreclosing legally, they (and you) have nothing to fear. Oh, that's right...the word "terrified" should come to mind. The rules, if they are similar to those imposed in NY, will force the rule of law (as you and I are forced to abide by) and, short of being able to foreclose legally, may well provide homeowners with the beneficial payoffs now being used to "retire" fraudulent paperwork via a short sale or deed in lieu of. $25k or $35k seems fair enough to retire the fraud- that, or the homeowner stays.
Sorry, but I'm all for following the law- and fraud against OUR judicial system should be stopped nationwide. Hope the bill passes- no entity should be able to function outside of the law. That it's the Chases and Wells Fargos and BofAs and Citis submitting fraud to our judges/judicial process makes it all the more essential to pass such laws.
Nonsense that it will impede future borrowers- it's blackmail, pure and simple.
Well, the pendulum has swung all the way, once again. I am not in favor of frivolous lawsuits, but whether a case has merit or not is not always easy to decide when it comes to foreclosure defense as there are not enough reported cases yet that would help provide guidance on which way the case law will go. California home owners are at a disadvantage compared to home home owners in judicial foreclosure states because they will never have their day in court to raise issues unless they do file a complaint in court. I honestly don't think that home owners will suddenly line up on the court house steps to assert their right to file a lawsuit that may ultimately be considered without merit. There has never been a law that a plaintiff can only file a lawsuit that has merit. There is a law against vexatious litigants, but that requires a whole lot more than filing one lawsuit in an unsettled area of the law. The opposition is making an issue out of a non-issue. Knowing how the legal system works, tells me that increased # of lawsuits will result in increased # of settled cases. The judge will make generous use of their ability to order these cases to mediation. Since CA if already a mandatory mediation state, I think the lenders are no worse off than they would be without this new law.
Gene: It sounds like this bill is going to cause much more trouble than it will cause good things to happen.
What is humorous to me, though, is that in your commentary in your post, you used the word "minions." I know it is just a "personal thing" with me... but whenever I see someone talk about someone else and their "minions..." I think... "Oh Jeez... here we go again."
Here's hoping you and YOUR minions have a great weekend.
Gene, I really appreciate your efforts to make us aware of this bill in such great detail. Having spent many years working in the trial courts, I'm not in favor of legislation which bypasses the established process which allows for thorough analysis, commentary, reflection, and amendment before passage and implementation. But I must agree with each of Ute's comments in #5. I also believe that because California is a mandatory mediation state, the lenders will not be any worse off than they are now. And perhaps with time we'll see legal precedence established that will preserve the lenders rights while also protecting the homeowners from the scandalous behavior by financial institutions that we've heard so much about the past few years.
And California wonders why businesses are fleeing its borders and the government is practically bankrupt.
With all due respect Laurie... There was a reason I addressed this to California Realtors. Quite frankly, the opinion of someone in a judicial foreclosure state at the far end of the country has no bearing or relevance to our current discussion in California. As to your characterization of our concern as 'blackmail', sorry, I'll trust the advice of our own lobbyists and counsel in this matter. It's bad enough that people can remain rent-free in their homes for 1 - 2 years in California - you can keep your judicial foreclosure and your 3 - 5 year waits in New York.
As a notoriously litigious state with a bleeding heart legislature, AG and, of course, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, we already have a massive litigation backlog from people who are deemed to have cause. This legislation opens the door to additional frivolous litigation and additional gaming of the system (mediation notwithstanding) - and given that even plaintiff attorneys will be entitled to costs it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what impact this broadening of definition of harm, will have on the system.
Lenders indeed have run roughshgod over the legal system in many areas and in many ways. THIS is not the solution.
Karen Anne - I used the term minion judiciously as it precisely defines the slavish and obsequious relationship our Democratic Legislators in Sacramento have to their union overlords as well as to the whims of the AG. A simple perusal of Maplight or OpenSecrets will demonstrate the money trail and vote record. We literally have our Democratic legislative leaders excuse themselves from meeting with the Governor to retreat to their offices to consult with SEIU, Teachers Union and AFSCME reps before they can make a decision. I did not use the term lightly.
And sadly, since the dog died, I am bereft of minions.
And no Rob, we're not wondering why. Well, maybe some of our legislators are a little unclear on the concept, but the rest of us taxpayers fully understand why and many are just waiting for the right opportunity to join the exodus. Sad.
Gene, I wish I had your crystal ball. Attorneys only get paid if they win, which would mean that the case had merit. It's one thing to challenge how this bill got to where it is now without meaningful opportunity to be discussed, it's another to predict how it will open the floodgates to frivolous lawsuits. Only time will tell and my prediction is, it will not have that effect. We have already seen attorneys soliciting home owners to join mass joinder lawsuits, which is nothing more than grouping a bunch of hopefully similarly situated home owners together and file a lawsuit. Lawyers have already figured out long before this bill how to get to home owners. Once again, merit is not decided at the front gate, and this bill is just stating the obvious. It just means that home owners don't have the burden of stating a prima facie case to get their day in court. Just like the trustees that foreclosure on properties don't have to proof that the investor on whose behalf they act are in possession of the promissory note. Sounds like equal playing field to me.
Gene, with respect as well,the judicial process in NY has *everything* to do with your state, and all others- it's where the banks are getting caught RED HANDED, and they are doing nothing differently in NY in terms of judicial fraud, as they are elsewhere. You're looking for a simple fix so people don't "live for free", and in harboring this resentment, are missing the forest for the trees- if the banks are acting illegally in NY, you can bet your AG is aware of the same fraud in your state, and is simply trying to curb it. Hats off to Kamala, and I hope that she's able to eliminate the massive fraud, or at least force the hands of the banks to work more cooperatively with the "deadbeats"- who likely are anything but- in order to bring first, a legal process, and soon after, a legal surrender of property to the rightful owner- simple!
In NY the majority of foreclosure actions are uncontested, which pretty much dumps a bucket of water on the theories presented- it's bunk.
http://www.postnewsgroup.com/publishedcontent/2012/02/24/irregularities-in-99-of-audits-found/
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