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The Good, The Bad And The Smokey

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

How often do we home inspectors see something that is correct and incorrect at the same time? 

In this case, it was the good, the bad and the smokey.

Every gas appliance should have access to its shut-off valve within 4' of the unit and on the same level.

Oftentimes I see this kind of installation on a flip and the valve is in the basement ceiling just below.

The valve cannot be on a different level of the house.

In this case Flipper, not his real name, put the valve behind the range, and inside the island into which the range fits!  Happy day!  THIS IS GOOD!

However, when we went to test the oven, it heated up for a while, did not reach temperature, and then produced smoke and turned off the kitchen GFI receptacle beside the sink off to the right off of this photo!

Ummm...  This gas range has a slight electrical need.  You see the clock on the front panel.  That is the panel that shows all the settings, and the burners and oven are all ignited with a spark.  That is pretty normal.

But Flipper hard wired the range into one of the kitchen GFI circuits!  And for some reason the unit isn't doing well and trips the GFI.  THIS IS BAD!

There was no circuit labeled in the EXTREMELY-OVERLOADED-WITH-DOUBLE-TAPS-EVERYWHERE panel box that looks to service this range.  And I could not find a plug anywhere behind the range.  So I suspect this unit is hard wired into the kitchen GFI circuit.  I really don't know!  But I do know a bona fide electrician is needed!

My recommendation:  on flips things often look really, really beautiful.  But be sure to test stuff!  Test everything!  Many times doing that will reveal things not otherwise observable!  Remember, don't ASSume everything must be GOOD because it looks GOOD!

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(61)

George P. Cruz Sr.
Premier Brokers International - Port St Lucie, FL
PSL FL CDPE, TRC, CIPS

Jay some folks like to save and don't realize that their lives a in jeopardy.

 

 

 

Jul 09, 2012 11:43 PM
Kathy McAlpin
HomeSmart - Arrowhead - Peoria, AZ
I had folks buy.a home and the inspection went somewhat well. Unfortunately, within 4 days both air conditioners were down. One was covered under the home warranty. The other was not because the previous owner (or someone they allowed) jerryrigged the unit to bypass something (just forgot the part name) and the wiring burned up. So now I tell this story to buyers, hoping they will also get an HVAC inspection. The units tested okay but you never know what is hiding.
Jul 09, 2012 11:54 PM
Jim Miner
Miner Noh & Associates - Phoenix, AZ
Loan Modfication & Short Sale Specialist

Nothing like a good old fashion Home Inspection performed by a good Inspector.

Jul 10, 2012 12:31 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

This is a great example of why a home inspection is important. How would we know without you?

Jul 10, 2012 12:41 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

I'm not suprised the County approved it. Around here they take people who have no construction experience at all, hand them a code book, and send them out to inspect.

This is the first time I've heard of anyone hard-wiring in a kitchen range. Guess it makes sense, those outlets cost $40 or $50 the last time I looked.

Jul 10, 2012 01:46 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

George - a home inspection is usually worth far more than it costs, in many ways!

Kathy - sounds like they bypassed the fuse box outside.  A common practice when new units are installed.  That was an excuse for them not to cover it.

Jim - thanks.  We try, we really try.

Karen - I think the home inspector posts are very full of information on the AR site.  Well worth the reads!  I read as many of them as I can!

Jul 10, 2012 01:48 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

All that may be true Marte!  The range also needed it's own circuit, but the panel really had no room.

Jul 10, 2012 01:49 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Flips remind me of my first wife - It looked pretty good - but there was some stuff I did not see.  Great post.

Jul 10, 2012 02:38 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Jay, we agree.  We can usually spot flips when we walk in.  And we always wonder what they are covering up.

Jul 10, 2012 02:42 AM
Sharon Sanchez
Ace Home Realty - Carson, CA
Your Number "1" Source For Real Estate.

Hi Jay.  You just cleared up something for me.  I have a pending listing and the buyer is purchasing it with FHA financing.  On the FHA appraisal, the appraiser stated that the gas line was improperly capped.  I think he's talking about a Shut Off.  Thanks for your informative article.  Have a wonderful day. 

Jul 10, 2012 03:18 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Hey, isn't Mr. Stove supposed to be on it's own circuit? 

Jul 10, 2012 04:40 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gene - that's one way to look at it!

Bob - that is the big mystery and the hardest thing to figure out!

Sharon - that may be it.  It might be he doesn't see a valve at all.

Yes Lyn.  The post says that - but there was no room in the inn, I mean panel box!

Jul 10, 2012 04:44 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Gas is not something to mess with.  Lots of potential for danger if the system is set up wrong.

Jul 10, 2012 07:20 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Especially when it's combined with electricity Rob!  Especially!

Jul 10, 2012 07:48 AM
Susan Neal
RE/MAX Gold, Fair Oaks - Fair Oaks, CA
Fair Oaks CA & Sacramento Area Real Estate Broker

Hi Jay - That is why I always always always insist that my buyers have a home inspection.  If they refuse (few do) I have them sign a waiver stating that they are going against my advice.  Today my buyers and I met the inspector at a brand new home in a nice subdivision. Many agents I know would never do a home inspection on a new build, assuming it would be perfect.  Not me.

The inspection was great except that the A/C was wired wrong and was missing the rubber cap around the freon tube in the attic, so that even if we got the A/C to work well (it didn't) a lot of the cold air would escape. 

I had the construction supervisor for the tract come to the house to meet with the inspector so he could see what should be done.  I'm glad I did that because the construction super came over anoyed and simply claimed that it worked fine.  By the time he left he promised to get the A/C guy back and take care of it.  If we hadn't had the inspection, would my buyers have been able to get the A/C working properly?  Maybe not.

Jul 10, 2012 03:02 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Susan - they would have lived with it, probably during hot weather, while the builder's subs got around to trying to fix it.  Best to do it at the inspection when everyone is present.  Supervisors are OFTEN annoyed with me, especially when buyers call them and ask them to come over!

Jul 10, 2012 09:19 PM
Rafi Footerman
Mid Jersey Inspections - Edison, NJ
Home Inspector, Mold Inspector, Radon and More!

Just did a flip like this.  Of course I was told "it's all been redone so this will be an easy inspection for you". Always makes me giggle when I hear it.

Jul 10, 2012 10:30 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rafi - that there is a big red flag and the radar gets immediately turned on!

Jul 10, 2012 10:31 PM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

Wish you were in California. We'd be keeping you prett busy. Let me know if you ever do manufactured homes. We provide a Nationwide foundation retrofit and installation and engineered certification business and have a need for good home inspectors with MH experience.

Jul 11, 2012 01:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I am with Manufactured Home Foundation Certifications John.  Is that the same thing?

Jul 11, 2012 01:34 AM