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77 Comments on Disturbing Real Estate Agent Trends - Part Timing Not Disclosed
Jim, ah! There is nothing more annoying than trying to do a deal with an agent who spends her days working as a budget analyst at the Department of Agriculture! That stuff makes me crazy!
Jim - I think it depends on the agent and depends on the situation. "Full time" agents can have these issues too.
Question: playing devil's advocate, here. If a part-time agent needs to disclose that fact... how about a full-time agent who is pretty much incompetent ? Shouldn't they have to disclose that as well ? LOL.
I'm late, as usual. Interesting idea that "part-time" is a material consideration that must be disclosed. But how do you define 'part-time'? What about the mom who has young children at home? Is she part-time? Or the part-timer who works the "graveyard" shift and is available, but sleepless, all day? What about the person working 4 hours at another job, as I did when I started in 1976? Is that part-tine real estate? I worked from 6:00 AM - 10:30 AM at a school district and got into my real estate office at 11:00 AM when most "full time" agents were just showing up at the office.
I think it's between the agent and principle. If the part-timer can't do the job the principle has recourse--Fire the agent.
Jim...
Interesting discussion, but my opinion is that if the GREC is OK with it then who am I to say?
Would not get a root canal from a part time doctor or have a case handled by a part time lawyer.
Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company Realtors) Patricia, I know it all too well! It can be very painful for the agent doing all of the work!
Christine Donovan Costa Mesa CA Homes Broker/Attorney 800-610-7253 DRE01267479 (Donovan Blatt Team - Donovan Group Realty) I totally agree!
Carolyn Kolba - RE/MAX Traditions - Mentor, Ohio (Serving Mentor, and all of Lake County, Ohio) LOL! It's not required if they are incompetent.
Lloyd Binen Silicon Valley R since 1976;408-565-8177 (Certified Realty Services) Well the interesting thing would be when the agent presents themselves to the homeowner or home buyer what picture do they paint for the client? Full time professional? 24 / 7 availability? Do they tell the client they do not have a lockbox key, or have not paid their MLS fees and have no MLS access? It is much more common than agents here are acknowledging, and what few deals remain in real estate are made much more difficult when you have to do twice the work.
Richard Weisser Coweta Fayette Real Estate It is fine as long as agents do not bellyache when they are needlessly doing the work of others...it's fine. You have to be pretty bad in GA to have GREC pull a license.
Andrew Mooers | Northern Maine Real Estate / Aroostook County Broker (MOOERS REALTY) "Would not get a root canal from a part time doctor or have a case handled by a part time lawyer." And why is that Andrew? LOL!
What a bunch of bull. Of course there is some truth but the fact remains that the majority of full time agents are part time. I started part time in 1964 and outproduced and out knowledged over 90
Time to get the old violin out again. I started part time in 1964 and became a full time broker in 1966. I even had a part time section in my brokerage and they outproduced and out knowledged the full time CB office down the street by themselves.
What you need to address is the average full time agent is actually part time and its a good thing they are or your percent of the market would be much smaller.
In 1964 I teamed up with two other part timers and we kicked hiney. One of our specialties was the expireds of the supposed all knowing, all competent full-times, we got them sold, those you want to label as having to disclose, seems more likely that your group is the one that should disclose, how many hours they actually work at productive real estate, their current volume for the last year, how long they have been licensed, and other pertinent info such as licenses in other states and professions and the possibilities of less time for their specific market place, etc.
In 1966 during the first major credit crunch we became full time brokers and didn't hesitate to hire part timers, they do have brokers they work for don't they, the broker should be full time, right, so someone full time is aviilabe to help them unless this full time person know as the broker is a loser. There is always someone crying about something, part timers, incompetent full timers, etc, etc, etc. Thing is they passed the same exam you did, took the same cont. ed you did, and because the part timer is employed he is less likely to do something in desperation to make a buck, maybe that should be in a full timers disclosure.
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Jim,
Regards to your response. I agree that no one Full Timer or Part Timer should have to do the work of another. Just recently mind you that I am the one that has a Freelance marketing job on the side and still did the work for a part time agent that works for friends and family and went on vacation in the middle of a transaction. Guess whom had to let the appraisers and inspector in the house for the buyer?
Just the little things can make it worth considering full buyer representation (meaning that the buyer pays their Realtor).
Changes can be made to create a more respected profession. Defining who does what and who gets paid to do their job. Consider the Apartment Locators in this equation.
Brian Park (Park Realty Investments) Thank you Brian for your insights. Even on a regular 9-5 job there are persons that do not earn their wages. So this post alos refers to full-timers that really are not putting any effort into doing their job evne though they show up 5 days a week. Unashamedly, they are still relying on others to do the work for them. Is that full time? This is all about competence and doing the work that is required of each of us. However, what I am talking abuot is today, not the 1960's or 1980's. Many agents working full time jobs and are "NOT" accessible to get the job done. I am seeing it over and over again. Sorry. I'm glad you had the right work ethics, and wish other took it as seriously as you did! Congrats!
Mary Beth Brennan (Keller Williams- Lake Travis) Thanks I do agree with your insights. I've never known a full time agent that has been in the business for any length of time and not have an agent or broker cover for them if tey go away on vacation! WoW! Some agents can be full time and only do 2 deals or less a year. Because they are full time, it does not mean they are successful, competent, or knowledgeable. Face it, in real estate we are not employees, - that means no one really ever gets fired or let go... this applies to full time or part time. I guess we have to ask the question, are they working at 100%? 50%, 2%...or less...no matter what label they work under.
Jim-Reviewing the varying opinions on this is almost as much fun as hearing how commission reduction requests are handled.
Jim I respect your view on this topic however I just wish that all agents did their job professionally. (PT and FT) What is a reasonable amount of time to return a phone call? I am a part time buyer's agent. I disclose this information to all of my clients in the first conversation. It is so frustrating being an agent in Georgia. I can not understand why so many listing agents don't return calls. I am constantly amazed at the follow through of many agents.
I want to be a full time agent and I will keep trying until I am successful. I have not been active in Real Estate lately because after getting a divorce I had to work a regular full time job. I decided to return because I love being an agent and the extra money is always helpful. So for know I will continue being a part time agent and giving my clients great customer service. When you call me, you probably will get my voice mail but I promise I will call you back much quicker than many full time agents.
Thanks for posting.
Michelle Rosser Fayetteville GA Realtor ~South Metro Atlanta Real Estate (Meridian Realty Saylor & Associates) I wish more agents had your values! Best wishes!
Wayne Johnson-San Antonio Homes For Sale San Antonio Realtor (Coldwell Banker D'Ann Harper Realtors®) It is interesting how many avoided answering the question of the post...."Do you disclose?"
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