I was looking at the listing in Sea Dip Resort, a Daytona Beach condo-hotel. 14 Active Listings

I noticed the confusion regarding pets. 4 listing avoided this information whatsoever. There is a blank space in place of the answer. 6 agents put “No” and 4 put “Yes”.

Interesting. Yes or no? The majority says “no”, but will you pass on buying a unit there to only find out later that it was “Yes”?

I sent e-mail to Denise Hutchinson, the listing agent of a few units there. In about half an hour, I was driving by this condo-hotel, and I stopped and asked the young guy at the Front Desk about their pet policy. He explained to me that owners can have a dog, but visitors can’t.

When I got to the office, I had e-mail from the Listing agent, and she said “No”. Hmm, so is it “Yes” or is it “No”? I emailed the listing agent, Denise Hutchinson of McColly Real Estate and explained what they told me at the property. She answered that she would research it, and I asked her to share with me what she finds.

Soon I received e-mail and there was the attachment. It was page 11 of the Condo Docs and item V stated:

Yes or No?Pets: No pets or animals shall be permitted in the units or upon the Condominium Property

That’s what I suspected. The practice is to allow the owners to have small dogs, but not allow the tenants to bring pets. However, it has never been registered this way, and the practice can change on a whim.

One complaint, one incident, and the Board would open their books, read and then say “Look, it says that there should be no pets here”.

And next thing you know they will post notices that there are no pets allowed, and will fine anyone having a dog in the unit.

That’s what happened 10 years ago in the Fountain Beach Resort. Pone day they decided that enough was enough and the only way to deal with one unruly and selfish dog owner was to dig into the Bylaws and find that pet have never been allowed in the resort.

Sometimes people claim that they are grandfathered, but they are really not. If there was a provision that pets were allowed, and then the members of the Association voted to change it to more restrictive, then you are grandfathered. But if it never allowed pets, and simply was not enforced, there is nothing you can do, as far as I understand.

By the way, the same story with Castaways Beach Resort. Everybody says that owners can have small pets, but not the guests, however their condo docs clearly state that no pets are allowed. Buyers beware. What employees tell you may be the practice, but not the rule.

On a separate note, condo-hotels are small and inexpensive properties. I often see agents looking down at them. That’s fine when they do not list and sell them. However, when agents list them, and keep looking down at them, knowing little to nothing about them, and not willing to learn, that’s very different.

I was pleasantly surprise by Denise. She did not have to research, I could do it myself and she knew it, but she never told me to figure it out. She listened and she researched. She is a diligent agent, and I am sure her clients understand and appreciate it.

And that makes my day.

 
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13 Comments on Yes Or No?

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The no pet policy can surely kill a deal. Most of pet owners consider our pets family, and will never give them up. We'd rather look for some other place that will allow pets.

Luckily for us, California already has AB 860, signed into law in 2000 and effective Jan 2001. It states that: ’No governing documents shall prohibit an owner of a separate interest within a common interest development from keeping at least one pet within the common interest development subject to reasonable rules and regulations of the association."

 

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Pacita - thanks for the comment. I just heard it a couple of days ago, and also, I think, Oregon is the same way. I really do not always understand the restrictivenes in the society, where, as you rightfully noted, people are very loyal to their pets (which is good).

We need to be a little more like California in this sense.

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I dont know I am not a huge fan of seeing pets going everywhere. I mean seriously do you really need to take your dog or cat with you everywhere you go???

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Hi Jon, The CA law is clear but the HOA uses terms like allowing one normal and ordinary pet. I just had a Manager of an association say the Buyers 65 lb dog was not normal and certainly not normal in writing to me. I am the listing agent. Am I supposed to suggest the Buyer to go ahead with the purchase and sue the HOA later for a definition of normal and ordinary. I passed on the info and said he will need to seek professional guidance on the definition of terms.
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Lot of strick rules to adhere by. Buyers should find out the facts before buying so there are no surprises later.

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Good clarification Jon.  It is a very risky venture to assume that what is customary is the same as the rules and I don't think anyone would want to have to decide after the fact whether to give up their pet or move.  Sounds like a liability issue to the agents who don't have the correct information in their listings too.

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Pets are an issue here in our condos as well Jon.  I guess we have more picky residents because I'm unaware of any buildings with a no pet policy in their by-laws allowing pets.

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Hi Jon - We run into the conflict between covenant restrictions and practice frequently and it's usually a deal killer if our buyers have pets. I wouldn't get rid of my furry friends to live in a palace, and neither would any client I've ever had.

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David - I was talking to a long-time firend from New York and I again invited her to visit us. New York to Daytona is pretty close, but she said she has a cat and does not feel good about leaving her alone, even if a neghbor would be coming to feed and check on her.

Our attachment to animals is more than loyalty to anything else in the world. I think it is simply a good biusiness practice to accomodate people with pets.

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William - there are laws ... and there are ways to circumvent them.

Thanks for pointing it out. I shoudl have suspect it, though

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Pamela - and they should be careful not to confuse the custome with the regulation.

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Gabe - maybe because you do not have condo-hotels. We do not have confusion in condos, only in condo-hotels

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