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How to Get Rid of Your House After a Bankruptcy

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Real Estate Agent with Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker DRE #00697006

Some things can come back to haunt. You might think you no longer own a home, for example, but you do. If a deed is not recorded, either from you or from an entity with the power to transfer title, you may still own that home.

A client told me the other day that he didn't care if his short sale fell apart because he had included it in his bankruptcy. What he did not stop to consider is he was released from his obligation to pay the debt but he still owns that home. He's responsible for that home. You can't stick out your arm, turn your head and say talk to the hand. Ignoring it doesn't make it true.

Unfortunately, I had spotted the warning signs that his short sale probably wasn't closing the minute the agent / buyer couldn't get a loan. This guy dinged about trying to get a conventional loan, then a VA loan, and at the 11th hour switched to cash. But when he switched to a cash offer, the bank would no longer approve a seller concession for his short sale. Not to mention, the bank's short sale approval letter had expired. He refused to listen when I explained how a short sale works.

The agent / buyer says he's closed a few, implying that he knows everything about a short sale. Yup, no. Funny how a couple of sales suddenly makes an agent a short sale expert, huh? This agent / buyer was lucky the bank had agreed to give him a commission. Many agents when buying short sale homes for their own portfolio are not allowed to receive a commission -- some investor guidelines don't allow it. But he was receiving a commission which sort of made up for the fact the concession for closing costs was removed. Instead, he threw a hissy fit and canceled. Banks don't negotiate with hissy-fit throwers. They barely negotiate with me, and I'm pretty level headed and consistent.

This seller now either needs to sell this home as a short sale or hope a foreclosure will transfer title. There is also the sticky problem that if a home is included in a bankruptcy, some banks won't do a short sale until after the bankruptcy is final. But the discharge of debt itself doesn't transfer title.

In another short sale in Rocklin, the sellers called me because their bank had called them. These sellers had thought they no longer owned a home. It had been sitting vacant for several years. Turns out there was no title transfer. The home was still in their name! After all of this time! The bank did not want to take a deed and accept title. The bank wanted the home sold as a short sale. It wanted the home sold as a short sale so badly that the bank offered to pay the sellers cash for the short sale to induce cooperation.

A short sale is a good solution for many who need to transfer title to a home they no longer care about. Just because the loan is larger than the value of the home doesn't mean you can't get rid of it. Make sure you hire an experienced short sale agent. I've closed hundreds of short sales in the Sacramento four-county area. You can call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916 233 6759.

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Elizabeth Weintraub is co-partner of Weintraub & Wallace Team of Top Producing Realtors, an author, home buying expert at The Balance, a Land Park resident, and a veteran real estate agent who specializes in older, classic homes in Land Park, Curtis Park, Midtown, Carmichael and East Sacramento, as well as tract homes in Elk Grove, Natomas, Roseville and Lincoln. Call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916.233.6759. Put our combined 80 years of real estate experience to work for you. Broker-Associate at RE/MAX Gold. DRE License # 00697006.

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Comments (31)

Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Even when surrendered at bankruptcy the banks want a clear title so they do the foreclsoure process.

Jul 29, 2012 10:14 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Elizabeth, good information everyone considering a short sale should think about. This is a case where an attorney and real estate expert should be consulted.

Jul 29, 2012 11:06 PM
Pat & Steve Pribisko
Keller Williams Greater Cleveland West - Westlake, OH

It never ceases to amaze me the many twists and turns a short sale can take.

Jul 29, 2012 11:17 PM
Melissa Marro
Keller Williams First Coast Realty - The Marro Team - Orange Park, FL
Jacksonville Real Estate and Home Staging

Fascinating. I had no idea that a seller could get stuck in this mess. Thank you for the information. 

Jul 29, 2012 11:32 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Laura: I think the comment you are referring to is Chris Ann's, in which she says the buyer is not entitled to receive back his deposit. In her case, it is true. Every transaction is different though. In this particular short sale, the buyer was entitled to receive his deposit because he had not released his contingencies. If he had released his contingencies, that would be a different story, but he did not. The one saving grace he had.

Jul 30, 2012 12:12 AM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

A lawyer representing himself has a fool for a client. So apparently does your agent/buyer.

Jul 30, 2012 01:55 AM
Ron Aguilar
Gateway Mortgage Group - Saint George, UT
Mortgage & Real Estate Advisor since 1995

After talking to a Realtor or during, the client should also talk to a Loan Officer that can properly

prepare them to purchase again if wanted. I like getting them back into homownership when possible.

I have already financed my past clients because they saw the writing on the wall and short sold or foreclosed

back in 2008. Thank you FHA.

Jul 30, 2012 02:02 AM
Dennis J. Zisa & Associates, Inc.
Dennis J. Zisa & Associates, Inc. - Camden, NJ
31 years in So. Jersey and the Greater Camden area

Great post, Elizabeth.

I'm trying to come up with a possible reason why a lender would not be amiable to taking a deed in lieu of foreclosure, particularly when the owner has already filed bankruptcy, and has moved out of the property.

Any thoughts? 

Jul 30, 2012 02:19 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

We continue to learn something new each day.  I'm surprised the homeowner's bankruptcy attorney didn't point out concerns about the client's home and make recommendations.

I'm asking a stupid question here, Elizabeth.  But, if the homeowner does ultimately end up with the home, and it is foreclosed, wouldn't a deficiency judgment be out of the question since it is in California?  Couldn't it all end up being a moot point?

I don't understand what the client in your case was expecting as an outcome from the bankruptcy as far as the home is concerned?

Jul 30, 2012 02:26 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

I should also add that I know of one situation, where a couple endured bankruptcy and kept their home.  The home had lost significant value, but still remained about $15,000 in equity.  I understand in California, a home with a small amount of equity excluding any cost which would be incurred if the home were to be sold, may actually be retained by homeowners after a bankruptcy.  In the case I have knowledge of, the homeowner stayed current on housepayments, the payments were within the budget after the significant wage loss after a job change.  Their other debts were discharged, their credit was toast, but they still had their home.

Jul 30, 2012 02:33 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hey Dennis: There are a lot of reasons why a bank might not want a DIL. For starters, there was no foreclosure filed. But it's also often more financially feasible to do the short sale than accept a deed. There could also be problems in the guidelines.

Hi Myrl: Excellent question, actually! The bankruptcy lawyer probably did explain, but there is so much to absorb during a bankruptcy that the seller could have been overwhelmed by the vast amount of information, not to mention the stress.

Jul 30, 2012 02:34 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Elizabeth, we have a seller in the middle of a short sale who was in bankruptcy (Chap 13).  The bank could not touch the property.  Now after almost 3 years we are still trying to close it.

Jul 30, 2012 02:55 AM
Frank Castaldini
Compass - San Francisco, CA
Realtor - Homes for Sale in San Francisco

Great information on ShortSales and Bankruptcy, I have a client going through something similiar. We hav a designated short sale agent in our office to assist us. I will pass this on.

 

 

Jul 30, 2012 03:05 AM
Marcy Moyer
eXp Realty of California Silicon Valley Probate, Trust, and Investment Sales - Mountain View, CA
Probate, Trust, and Investment Specialist

Eilizabeth,

Love the new picture. Another great post on a topic I was not familiar with. I have never had a client who went through bankruptsy and did not realize they still need to do something with the house but I bet there are a lot of them out there. 

Jul 30, 2012 04:36 AM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert
Jul 30, 2012 07:34 AM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

Great info here. Lot's of things to consider in short sales. Thanks

Jul 30, 2012 01:48 PM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Thanks Elizabeth, great shortsale info, too bad you cant make reading your blogs required homework before buying or selling a short sale.

Jul 30, 2012 02:17 PM
Nan Jester
Exit Real Estate Gallery Jacksonville Beach, FL - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Realtor, Exit Real Estate Gallery

These days it is hard for anyone to claim to be an expert since every short sale is different and they seem to always come up new hoops to jump through.

Jul 31, 2012 04:06 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

You stated above "relieved from obligation to pay debt" but not the home ownership.  The BK can make the mortgage go away and leave you with the home?  I did not think it worked that way.  

Jul 31, 2012 01:11 PM
Thomas McCombs
Century 21 HomeStar - Akron, OH

Why would the homeowner not want to keep the home after bk ? Now she has no mtge obligation.

Aug 04, 2012 11:34 AM