Is this happening in your area?  Do you see short sales selling grossly under market value?

I was sitting in a short sale seminar being conducted by a loss mitigator for one of the major banks.  She made the passing comment that one of the BPO providers had called her, as the listing agent had offered to pay the BPO person $500.00 to "come in at" $400,000 when they had verbally told the listing agent that they had thought the property was worth $500,000.

Now, the listing agent, I presume, was probably selling the house to one of their investor clients or perhaps a relative, and wanted to get them the best deal possible, because they were an investor and could sell the house a few years down the road, or if it was relative, they would then be getting, literally, a steal...

Is that fraudulent-- you bet it is.  As a matter of fact, a couple of years ago in California they passed a law which addressed short sale valuation fraud, so I suspect back then as I do now, that it was probably happening.

Handcuffs 

Now, there was a house in my neighborhood, that recently sold for the low, low price of $605,000.  Two months prior, two similar models of the same house sold for $799,000 and $720,000.  Prices seemed to be improving.What spiked my interest was the fact that this house selling for $605,000 drastically lowered all the prices in the neighborhood, but it was also double ended by a Realtor who I would describe as having less than sterling credentials.  Her buyer client bought it with 20% down.  OK, fine, great, he probably will never walk away...
Me, not being one to take things at face value decided to investigate further, especially seeing the house listed for rent on Craigslist shortly after closing.  So, I checked the County Records at the Recorders office.  Yep, my suspicions were correct.  The note had also been recorded, and right there in no uncertain terms was the owner occupancy clause, right there in paragraph 6 of the note...

To make matter even more incredulous, a neighbor called me wondering about the value of his house.  He lives 2 doors down from the $799,000 house, and he wants to refinance, knows about the sale of the two houses on our street which sold for over $700,000, and was thinking that he could refinance...  He can't.  He is below the 80% LTV for a refinance, and furthermore, some extra cash he ws going to put in to bring his loan into the super conforming amount so it would be below $625,500 wouldn't work.  I told him about the recent sale of the house just like his that sold for $605,000.  He mentioned he knows the guy who bought it-- it is someone he works with, as it turns out.  I asked him the guy's name, and it is not the guy who is on title...  Hmmmm...  So, he asked the guy at work, in a roundabout way, about getting a great deal on the house, and the guy says, "yeah, I guess  so".  It may have been a relative or friend who bought it.  Now, next time I am at County Records, I will check to see if he lost his home somewhere else, which I believe is the case.


Point is...  My neighbor cannot get a 3.5% interest rate, and is stuck with his 6.5% interest rate.  Why? Because there was a fraudulent short sale (occupancy and price) and the house was sold originally to some people who it appears had acquired the home only because of mortgage fraud.

I happened to mention this at a meeting of Brokers I meet up with on occasion, and some said that they have suspected this was going on.  Either that, or is it possible for the bank to be so ignorant of the fact that two homes sold recently on the same street for significantly more?  I doubt that (although nothing would surprise me).  What I'd like to see the banks do is not allow double ended short sales.  Also, it was one of those short sales with no lock box and it was impossible to get in due to showing restrictions.

So, has anybody out there seen this happening in their neighborhood?  These unscrupulous agents are killing us-- AGAIN!

I will be posting, starting next week, blogs about mortgage fraud-- how they did it, and the result of it.

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This is sad....we are dealing with similar stuff in our area as well.....just so sad!!!

8:57am • #29
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Gary, not sure what the thought process is behind listing Short Sales way below market value when LA knows banks are going to order more than one BPO and in some cases Appraisals. It just looks fishy when you have SS listings below market value and you could never show the property and they go Pending in a short time.

9:08am • #30

Happens all the time in Michigan. An agent had a house in my sub she short sales it to her boyfriend appox $189,000 it was worth $350,000 - $375,000 all day long. Her family owns the real estate company so she was not the agent on the deal. Killed our values in our sub. She never moved out of the house and still lives there with her boyfriend. Sad thing is the homeowners in our sub still use her to list there homes.

James Gillen
9:09am • #31
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Hi Gary,  This sort of thing gives all agents a bad name !  I also doubt not allowing an agent to double end a deal would actually work.

9:10am • #32
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just happened in my neighborhood. Sold for $599k (short sale on the MLS for 1 day then off). Put new paint and carpet and just listed for $769,000. I want to know how they did it.

 

9:18am • #33
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From one Gary to another...That agent should be reported. We must stop such actions. It does hurt other property owners and it is illegal. The agent and the bpo agent should both be brought before the real estate commission. It is our duty to report such actions...Gary make the call !!

Best to you !!

Gary D in Denver !!

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Folks, thanks for all the comments.  I guess it is so blatant, and although I realized the problem was prevalent, just not as big as I thought-- and I do think it is a huge problem.  
I have talked to people about this, and I would love to see the NAR put up a hotline for suspicious activity, and start disciplining some of its members...  Just call in with the concern, and explain why.  Have a judge rescind the contract, perhaps put it under conservatorship somehow or something.  It is a man made problem, so the solution can be made by mankind.

We are Realtors, we are in the trenches.  Why don't the state and federal agencies repond to  us.  We see what goes on via the MLS.  We know values.  The banks should rely on us as well.  What we don't have is subpeona power to look at the file, look at what the hardship is, or if the new loan was for owner occupied, or for that matter the original loan was for owner occupied, when in fact it was not.

Let's get these crooks out of real estate! 

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Gary-That situation really blows. Especially for those trying to do the right thing.

11:28am • #37
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Haven't heard about this happening in my area yet. Will look into it.
11:39am • #38
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I think alot of agents merely put a low price on a short sale because quite frankly, why should they fight for an extra $25,000 or more when it doesn't go to the seller it's just a matter of the bank taking a larger loss and we don't care about them.

11:49am • #39
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Gary, I really shouldn't be surprised hearing about someone trying to game the system, if only they realize what they do to everyone else's value in the neighborhood. 

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Good day to all I was just asked to come in at a low price point on a bpo and said no I would not do it this is what the comps show and NO NO NO the email I received was that the comps did not need to prove the price point that it needed to come in at or below the list price of the property again I said what did you say to me and this was in an email. They stated that this was the requirement from the lender that this property needed to come in at or below the list price I said okay show that to me in writing please so that I can place this in the file for future referance.... Guess what I received a phone call saying that they did not have that and they would reassign the order if I was uncomfortable with doing this. I said WHAT THE HECK .... I did this order and now you are reassigning it....OK  go ahead do that but I will not say what you are wanting me to say the comps show a different value point..... Thanks but no thanks move on to another agent and or broker but they will not say anything different than what I have shown if they use the same comps..... So they reassigned the order BADDDDA BING I will not work like that.....

1:27pm • #41
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Someone should also possibly contact the new mortgage lender, who might want to send someone out to verify who is living at the house.   BTW -- Good for you Laura (#42).

3:27pm • #42
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I don't understand why buyers think they are getting a deal/steal when they purchase at discount prices.

In real estate there is no such thing as a bargain. Value automatically drops for the subject house and the neighborhood upon closing!

The next big deal/steal then lowers it further and so on. It's the opposite of price increase in a bidding war.

8:30pm • #43
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Hi Gary,

I have done over 3000 bpos over these last 4 years. I always wondered why banks would do 3 or more bpos on the same house using different agents. Now I know!

Phil

4:14am • #44
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This really frustrates me. My next door neighbor is short selling their home and asking about 70,000 less then the other recent solds in the area. All the neighbors are scared and frantically working on refinancing before the home closes and really messes us up. Very scary and we have no control over agents who do this. I agree that a red flag should be waved about the scenario you mentioned. Best wishes to you
6:40am • #45
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I guess there is fraud everywhere. We must all be vigilant and weed out as much as possible. Great post!

1:01pm • #46
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Hi All, thanks for your comments.  We can see that it is happening in a lot of places...  Why can't the those who are sworn to enforce this stuff see it?  I am going to be posting more on this starting today, maybe a post a day, or perhaps more, so keep an eye on it.  Thanks again for all the comments!

Stay tuned-- it gets a lot more interesting...

2:11pm • #47
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came back....yes, seems this is happening everywhere;(

I admire all agents who speak up against it.

Last update: I just closed a deal where Mr. Seller is an investor, they buy  short sales and sell them few month later as  regular sales. I looked their website: a lot of properties~ seems they have no problem finding good deals.

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