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48 Comments on Fraud upon Fraud (...upon Fraud)
This is sad....we are dealing with similar stuff in our area as well.....just so sad!!!
Gary, not sure what the thought process is behind listing Short Sales way below market value when LA knows banks are going to order more than one BPO and in some cases Appraisals. It just looks fishy when you have SS listings below market value and you could never show the property and they go Pending in a short time.
Happens all the time in Michigan. An agent had a house in my sub she short sales it to her boyfriend appox $189,000 it was worth $350,000 - $375,000 all day long. Her family owns the real estate company so she was not the agent on the deal. Killed our values in our sub. She never moved out of the house and still lives there with her boyfriend. Sad thing is the homeowners in our sub still use her to list there homes.
Hi Gary, This sort of thing gives all agents a bad name ! I also doubt not allowing an agent to double end a deal would actually work.
just happened in my neighborhood. Sold for $599k (short sale on the MLS for 1 day then off). Put new paint and carpet and just listed for $769,000. I want to know how they did it.
From one Gary to another...That agent should be reported. We must stop such actions. It does hurt other property owners and it is illegal. The agent and the bpo agent should both be brought before the real estate commission. It is our duty to report such actions...Gary make the call !!
Best to you !!
Gary D in Denver !!
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Folks, thanks for all the comments. I guess it is so blatant, and although I realized the problem was prevalent, just not as big as I thought-- and I do think it is a huge problem.
I have talked to people about this, and I would love to see the NAR put up a hotline for suspicious activity, and start disciplining some of its members... Just call in with the concern, and explain why. Have a judge rescind the contract, perhaps put it under conservatorship somehow or something. It is a man made problem, so the solution can be made by mankind.
We are Realtors, we are in the trenches. Why don't the state and federal agencies repond to us. We see what goes on via the MLS. We know values. The banks should rely on us as well. What we don't have is subpeona power to look at the file, look at what the hardship is, or if the new loan was for owner occupied, or for that matter the original loan was for owner occupied, when in fact it was not.
Let's get these crooks out of real estate!
Gary-That situation really blows. Especially for those trying to do the right thing.
I think alot of agents merely put a low price on a short sale because quite frankly, why should they fight for an extra $25,000 or more when it doesn't go to the seller it's just a matter of the bank taking a larger loss and we don't care about them.
Gary, I really shouldn't be surprised hearing about someone trying to game the system, if only they realize what they do to everyone else's value in the neighborhood.
Good day to all I was just asked to come in at a low price point on a bpo and said no I would not do it this is what the comps show and NO NO NO the email I received was that the comps did not need to prove the price point that it needed to come in at or below the list price of the property again I said what did you say to me and this was in an email. They stated that this was the requirement from the lender that this property needed to come in at or below the list price I said okay show that to me in writing please so that I can place this in the file for future referance.... Guess what I received a phone call saying that they did not have that and they would reassign the order if I was uncomfortable with doing this. I said WHAT THE HECK .... I did this order and now you are reassigning it....OK go ahead do that but I will not say what you are wanting me to say the comps show a different value point..... Thanks but no thanks move on to another agent and or broker but they will not say anything different than what I have shown if they use the same comps..... So they reassigned the order BADDDDA BING I will not work like that.....
Someone should also possibly contact the new mortgage lender, who might want to send someone out to verify who is living at the house. BTW -- Good for you Laura (#42).
I don't understand why buyers think they are getting a deal/steal when they purchase at discount prices.
In real estate there is no such thing as a bargain. Value automatically drops for the subject house and the neighborhood upon closing!
The next big deal/steal then lowers it further and so on. It's the opposite of price increase in a bidding war.
Hi Gary,
I have done over 3000 bpos over these last 4 years. I always wondered why banks would do 3 or more bpos on the same house using different agents. Now I know!
Phil
I guess there is fraud everywhere. We must all be vigilant and weed out as much as possible. Great post!
Hi All, thanks for your comments. We can see that it is happening in a lot of places... Why can't the those who are sworn to enforce this stuff see it? I am going to be posting more on this starting today, maybe a post a day, or perhaps more, so keep an eye on it. Thanks again for all the comments!
Stay tuned-- it gets a lot more interesting...
came back....yes, seems this is happening everywhere;(
I admire all agents who speak up against it.
Last update: I just closed a deal where Mr. Seller is an investor, they buy short sales and sell them few month later as regular sales. I looked their website: a lot of properties~ seems they have no problem finding good deals.