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OK, Now I get it! A follow-up on HDR (high dynamic range).

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Real Estate Agent with SurfTheTurf.com, Inc.

Boy have I been confused a bit about this High Dynamic Range merging stuff.  I've been reading my new book, "The HDRI Handbook," and I now am beginning to get a handle on why the HDR images can look so, so good.  But I thought I would share some of my confusion because I thought that maybe someone else was similarly confused.

I've been playing with Photoshop's Merge to HDR where I converge 5 or more images into a single high dynamic range image (32 bits).  Well, they always looked muddy to me.  Here's my most recent example:

Encinitas HDR Test

It sort of looks ok, and it has the full range, but everything looks muddy to me.  THEN earlier today I read about TONE MAPPING where you use some fancy tools to compress the entire range into an 8 bit per channel (i.e., JPG) output.  Here's what I got when I did that!

HDR Encinitas Real Estate

For those interested, I downloaded a tool called Photomatix from http://www.hdrsoft.com/.  It's a complicated program with an easy interface (i.e., slide the sliders, but that doesn't mean that you know what you're doing, but I'm only getting started on this).

Now, maybe I amped up the saturation just a bit in my excitement, but this is looking interesting!  I need to learn how to use the tools, but I can see why people are excited about this stuff now.

Also, I learned the name for the kind of photography that we've been doing....it's called "Exposure Blending" where you take multiple exposures and blend them together to get an end result image that is the kind that you get with high dynamic range.  For me to create this image took me only 15 minutes.   It would have taken much more work than that to do it the way that I usually assemble the photograph.

Margaret Hokkanen, Encinitas Real Estate

Charlottesville Solutions
Charlottesville Solutions - Charlottesville, VA

Now that sure does make a big difference! Great photo!

your friend in Charlottesville

Jan 15, 2008 10:22 PM
Chris Frantz
EDU Real Estate Group - Indianapolis, IN

That looks so much better, this is a good tip to save you a trip out to retake a picture.

Thanks for sharing.

Jan 15, 2008 11:23 PM
Kevin McGrath
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies- Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania - Fredericksburg, VA
Long & Foster Real Estate Companies
What - do you work for NASA? Man - you really know your stuff. Very impressive.
Jan 15, 2008 11:57 PM
Cheryl Johnson
Highland Park, CA

My few experiments with HDR were disappointing - mainly I think because the position of objects in the images varied slightly in each shot. 

I take it, a tripod is a must... then you take shots with several different exposure settings with the camera in the ~exact~ same position for each shot.  :-)

Jan 16, 2008 01:55 AM
Don Stern
Realty Executives South Louisiana - Baton Rouge, LA
Greater Baton Rouge Real Estate
I'd love to experiment with this technology but can't seem to find a way in PE5.  I'll have to add PS to my ever growing list of "stuff" that I want to purchase.
Jan 16, 2008 02:12 AM
Margaret Hokkanen
SurfTheTurf.com, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
→ Carlsbad Real Estate

Photomatix is a separate standalone tool to merge the Raw images and then tone map them into a final .jpg image.  Cost: $99, which seems reasonable.  So far, I've just been using the free trial.  So, this means that you don't have to use Photoshop to create the HDR image and you can use a different tool if you want to do touchup afterwards.

Cheryl, yes, I would say a tripod is pretty critical to maintain alignment of the images.  The book recommends using automated bracketing and a remote shutter release, but I don't do any of that.  However, I do have a clip on the bottom of the center pole of the tripod where I hang a heavy camera bag to stabilize the tripod and keep it from shaking.  In particular, as I understand it, you need to avoid rotation of the camera as that is hard for the automated programs to correct for.  Slight movement side to side isn't so bad for the programs.

Jan 16, 2008 03:10 AM
Ryan Martin
Pacific Continental Realty, LLC - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham Commercial RE Broker
Margaret - Wow, that looks so much better. I have yet to attempt HDR photography, but I am interested in trying it out. Thanks for sharing this with the group. 
Jan 16, 2008 03:20 AM
Billnulls Blog Florida Realty Professional
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
AHWD
I am always amazed at how a few minor adjustments can improve a photo! thanks for sharing!
Jan 16, 2008 04:04 AM
Kim Peasley-Parker
AgentOwned Realty, Heritage Group, Inc. - Sumter, SC
Amazing.  You do amazing work!
Jan 16, 2008 09:44 AM
Margaret Hokkanen
SurfTheTurf.com, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
→ Carlsbad Real Estate

OK, now here's a photo that I don't think I could have ever produced through my past techniques.  It was a relatively easy piece of cake by shooting in raw and then combining the raw images in Photomatix.  I think this really conveys the value of the condo billiard room.  I really tried to maintain the billiard room feel in the production of the photo.

Margaret 

Encinitas Billiards

Jan 16, 2008 10:24 AM
Cheryl Johnson
Highland Park, CA

You know, I just had a crazy idea.  I wonder what would happen if I took one image ... made three copies of the image.  Changed the exposure of each image copy in Photoshop with levels  (that's the first tool that comes to mind, anyway)  so I had the required lightest-to-darkest set... then took all the digitally altered images and combined them in Photomatix.  Would it make a difference that the different exposures were created in post-processing, I wonder? 

I love that billiard room photo -- the warm, dim light --  you captured that "pool hall" feel....

Jan 16, 2008 10:00 PM
Margaret Hokkanen
SurfTheTurf.com, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
→ Carlsbad Real Estate

Cheryl,  No, that's not going to work to create a high dynamic range photo.  The exposure tool in photoshop is going to adjust the set of values that are stored in that one image.  According to the literature, a digital camera can capture about 6-8 EV (exposure values).  A high dynamic range photo that takes 4 or 5 different exposures can caputre 20-25EV.  That's why it's high range.  I had messed around with Photoshop's merge to HDR, but I didn't know about part 2 - tone mapping and the compression of the 20EV back down to the JPG.  Net result: If you want to mess around with this stuff, you have to shoot Raw, and you have to use the HDR tools, either in Photoshop or elsewhere.  For this particular task, I elected to use a tool that was easier than the embedded Photoshop tools (or at least that's what it appears).

JH

 

Jan 17, 2008 05:38 PM
Cheryl Johnson
Highland Park, CA
Margaret -- Well, darn!  I thought maybe I had the "lazy photog's" solution.  :-)  Though I suppose using a camera's auto-bracket setting would come pretty close to automating the process on the shooting end.
Jan 17, 2008 09:00 PM
Darryl Glade
RE/MAX N.O. Properties - New Orleans, LA
New Orleans Real Estate
I have been getting into HDR recently and found the discussion boards on Flickr to be very helpful.  Just search for HDR groups and read the discussion threads.  It has helped my HDR photography tremendously.
Jan 18, 2008 06:37 AM