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Bank of America, Countrywide, & A Mortgage Broker's Perspective.

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MSN Money had an interesting and relevent article today speculating on how Bank of America will handle the buy-out of CountrywideClick here to read the article.

I'd like to focus on a few key points that were made in the article:

- First off, the relationship between BOA & Countrywide is not new, it's been going on for 40 years.  In my mind, this should give you some perspective on whether it was an intelligent decision on BOA's part and the fact that this news wasn't a 'shocker' to a lot of us in the Mortgage Profession.  There is familiarity between the two firms and I believe this decision is an example of the Industry starting continuing to cure itself of the ills that came down on it and within it.

- Countrywide is said to have a heck of a lot of liquidity and the rumors of bankruptcy were probably off the mark.  Then again, they were sure itching for something like this because something had to be done.

- Bank of America has said that it will be more selective in acquiring Mortgages issued by other banks or independent brokers.  This, in my estimation, is HUGE!  This should of been done all along and was probably a major component of the problems that went down with Countrywide.  Being a Mortgage Broker myself, we have always run loans through their system, got the approval, packaged it up and sent it on its way.  Our files were clean and performed well.  I wasn't concentrating too much on what other Mortgage Brokers were doing, didn't have to at the time.  Then, the whole Sub-Prime Market started taking a plunge and we began experiencing an awful lag-time once our files were submitted.  I found out the reason for this........other Mortgage Brokers were running approvals online that were getting turned down and still sending the files into Countrywide because they had no other place to go with them.  What better example of 'Throwing It Against The Wall' than this practice?  Also, taking a look at how loans are performing that are coming from this Bank or this Broker should be a regular practice to make sure you are doing business with the right companies.  I think BOA will be on top of this to ensure they don't experience similiar problems.

- As far as Mozilo's take home from Countrywide's sale to BOA, it might not be a bad idea for Mr. Mozilo to float a few bucks to do his part in helping out the current Market from a Money Perspective.  And Mr. Mozilo, if you don't think you want to do that, you are always welcome to invest give some money to the International Bank of Jason Sardi:-)


Jason Sardi

Mortgage Consultant

1-866-262-8720 ext. 229

jsardi@fcegi.com

 

Comments (57)

Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans
Jason... I wrote most of my comment before I read the article.  But I did read about the home equity loans, which I added into my comment.  Part of my point and that I see to many people focus on are the subprime arms.  There are more and more facts telling us that it was a lot more than just these types of loans.  thanks
Jan 16, 2008 04:39 PM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate
Jason, when I started in 1991 Countrywide only did "A" paper loans and B of A was nearly impossible to deal with but kept buying up every bank I worked with.  So, I don't see them as being similar at all.  It will be very interesting to watch what happens.  Since B of A is located in Charlotte I'm hoping it will bring in more jobs.  Takeovers always mean consolidations even when told otherwise.
Jan 17, 2008 12:42 AM
Katie Wethman
Keller Williams - Falls Church, VA
CPA, MBA, Realtor - Northern Virginia & DC Real Estate
Nice analysis, Jason.  I'd add that BoA may not be counting on a potential "turnaround" so much as the guaranteed tax breaks.
Jan 17, 2008 01:20 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Jason:  I have to disagree with you on the point about loans performing or not after they have been sold.  As long as I've been honest and forthright in the way that I presented the deal to the underwriter, that is their job to review the documentation and to determine if this is a loan that they want to do or not.

Back in the hey day of the sub prime market, I had a loan that had been turned down by two of my other investors.  The Countrywide rep came calling one day asking if I had any deals that I could send him.  The only one that I had that didn't have a home was this one.

I told the rep that it had been turned down a couple of times and he looked at it, told me that the CW had a program that he thought it could fit in and took a copy package with him.  Two days later I got a fairly clean approval.  I honestly don't have any idea as to how that loan performed, but is it my fault if CW had a program that went down to a 580 FICO (or whatever, I honestly don't remember the particular program)?  I presented CW with all of the facts, they made their decision to do the loan or not.

Just my opinion.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

Jan 17, 2008 01:25 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Mike - Speaking of which, I sure could use a good tan.

Jeff - That was part of the problem, especially those loans done at a high loan amount compared to the value of the property.

Diane - There is familiarity there, it will be interesting to see how the product line & service pan out.

Katie - Good point!

Bob - There is a lot of truth in what you said, since we have little control of what transpires in lives after the loan closes.  Though, I do try to consistently stay in touch and if something is wrong....try to guide accordingly to make sure things don't snowball.  It is of my opinion that our value extends beyond the loan just closing....that is customer service.

Jan 17, 2008 01:59 AM
Paul Slaybaugh
Homesmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ Real Estate
Very refreshing take, Sardi.  I'll be honest, I don't think many people expect follow up from their lenders post-closing.  I also think most just think you'll plug them into whatever is available without really helping them decide if it's wise.  Just like we agents get a bad wrap from the perception of the huckster who forces a deal through only to disappear the second it closes, you have a similar hill to climb to gain that trust.  Honest evaluation and transparency about what goes on behind the curtain, as can be found in this post, is going to reap rewards.  Good job, man.
Jan 17, 2008 03:58 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life
Wow!  Thanks Mr. Slaybaugh.  That means a ton coming from you man.  Mucho Grazie!!!
Jan 17, 2008 04:03 AM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
That was a great post. I think there are plenty of people willing to be invested in....lol
Jan 17, 2008 04:36 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

I don't envy Mozilo's position-I don't think any of us would enjoy being the CEO, CFO, etc. of any of the major banks right now.

Other than that, well said!

Jan 17, 2008 05:13 AM
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Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Christy - That's probably a fact:-)

          - It's always greener (no pun intended) on the other side. 

Jan 17, 2008 05:35 AM
Heather Fitzgerald
REALTY WORLD-Harbert Company, Inc. - Greenwood, IN
REALTOR Greenwood Indiana Real Estate

I don't envy Mozilo's position-I don't think any of us would enjoy being the CEO, CFO, etc. of any of the major banks right now.

Other than that, well said!

Jan 17, 2008 05:56 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life
Ahhhh, that was you Heather!   Thanks!
Jan 17, 2008 06:04 AM
Desiree Daniels
RE/MAX Tri County - Robbinsville, NJ
You're putting up some great content here Mr. Sardi.   Hope all is well with you.....
Jan 17, 2008 08:43 AM
Matt Heaton
Timu Corp - CEO, ActiveRain - Co-founder - Bothell, WA
More details are out on the specifics of the BofA/Countrywide deal.  Countrywide pays BofA a $160M breakup fee if the deal is canceled for any reason, this is the opposite of most M&A deals where there is a breakup fee the buyer pays.  Basically BofA has 9 months to look through all of CFC's books and do due diligence, if they don't like what they see they walk away with $160M.  Pretty sweet deal if your Bank of America :)
Jan 17, 2008 03:17 PM
Anonymous
Lenn Harley

Who said Countrywide "had a lot of liquidity"??? 

That's not what I've seen reported.  If they had liquidity, they wouldn't have been looking for "liquidity".

 

P.S.  Can't log in this morning. 

Jan 17, 2008 10:02 PM
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Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Thanks Dez, hope all is well with you as well.

Matt- Sweet deal indeed.  I'm not sure BofA will like what they see (3/4 of Countrywide's Portforlio is reported to be Pay-Option ARMS & Second Mortgages) yet somehow I think it will work out for the better...by getting rid of the worse.

Lenn - Lewis did.  See page 3 of the article...

As far as "if they had liquidity, they wouldn't have been looking for "liquidity"...." Corporate America is an interesting Beast...or so I hear. 

Jan 18, 2008 09:00 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate
Why in the world would the sub-prime lender forward everything to Countrywide? I thought it was common knowledge that Countrywide sticks with at least fairly good credit loans.
Jan 18, 2008 11:43 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life
Lisa - Actually, CW had did have a Wholesale Sub-Prime division that did some very funky stuff.  I didn't use them much myself (for the Sub-Prime stuff), but at one time they were a player in that market as well.
Jan 21, 2008 03:04 AM
Anonymous
L.Soto (real-estate investor..Soto's Plaza..Atlanta,Ga

Check out what has happened to me when I decided to use BOA Mortgage. I figure this is a great time to buy a couple of investment properties. Great credit score and monies to purchase with 20% down. Sels-employed and doing well in a crazy economy as it is right now. I figure it will take 3 to 5 years for the real-estate market to go from a BUYERS market as it is now to a SELLERS market. So, I decided to go and buy someforeclosures in a very special side of Georgia where the home values are still great and the homes are near the best schools in georgia. I got in touch with BOA Mortgage and started talking with them about my desires and they gave me a Pre-Qualification Letter so that I may present to the Seller. I started getting a HUD home and they accepted my bid so I presented this purchase contract to BOA and they started the loan process. Per the purchase contract, I am allowed 15 days to inspect the home and I DID JUST that. Found out that the home has MAJOR TERMITE problems and I decided to back out of the deal. BOA stated that my loan offer was good for 90 days. BOA then sent me AN APPROVAL LETTER good for 90 days on my mortgage and I went looking for another home and I found a really nice home that was BIGGER and better priced than the first one. So, Keep in mind I have a new pre-qualification letter for the new address of property I am purchasing and ALSO an approval letter good for 90 days. I submitted my new PURCHASE CONTRACT to BOA and this is where the nightmare started! They stated that they could no longer do the mortgage but, that because I had a letter good for 90 days, I would have to CALL the PRICING DEPARTMENT to discuss my mortgage. The person at PRICING stated that because things have changed, they could not do the mortgage BUT that if I wanted to pay down the MORTGAGE, I could bet a 5.75% fixed rate mortgage for an additional 12,000.00 on top of the 20% I was putting down. I stated that this was very unfair and then the person said they just simply could not do the mortgage. Here I am under contract to close on, get this, November 4th,2008 = election day and BOA cannot do this mortgage and I will LOST the earnest dollars I paid for I have been looking all over for an investment property being bought by an investor. I have been bankimng with BOA for MANY years and I have many accounts and monies with them to the point that I will simply just take out my monies and go to some other bank that better serves me. I really would not want this nightmare on anyone. I have filed for an extension to close on this property and looking at some private mortgage monies at higher rates JUST to purchase property and then re-finance later when tbanking industries gets better. What a day and time we are living in and through!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

Nov 10, 2008 07:30 AM
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Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

L.Soto -  Perhaps there is a communication barrier, but what you wrote doesn't add up.  I'm sure there are a few sides to your story so bear with me here.  First off, BOA specializes in banking (deposits, investments, personal loans, mortgages, etc).  You probably should of went to an entity specializing in just Mortgages.  That's my piece of advice going forward.  You mention a 5.75% fixed rate mortgage on an investment property.  If I could offer and deliver that anytime in the recent past or foreseeable future, I'd be eating fois gras off fine china and exchanging recipes with Martha Stewart.  I don't blame you for taking your fortunes elsewhere.  Just realize a big name doesn't translate to a quality expert.  BOA seems to be (dare I say) a healthy financial entity.  Yet, it seems you were dealing with a customer service rep more than somebody who could really service your Real Estate Investment needs.  BOA isn't a bad bank, but I wouldn't recommend them as your Mortgage Expert going forward. 

Nov 10, 2008 08:01 AM