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32 Comments on You Can ONLY See This Kind Of Thing PRE-DRYWALL - 1 of 3
Sad to say, I do see short cuts or simply poor craftsmanship like this more than I would like. Once the drywall goes up, it doesn't exist. Right?
Kathryn - things like this no longer surprise me. Often the supervisor sees my report and says it's already on his list of things to do!
Yes, Mr. Keller, they will! And nobody would know why! Good thing we saw these things now. Two more posts to follow, and they are just as fun!
Randy - I have had county officials walk in on my pre-drywall inspection and ask me what I came up with!
For sure Brad. This is why I so highly recommend a pre-drywall inspection.
Adrian - seeing what is around the windows now is essential. Including insulation... which has not been installed yet on this house.
Very Kevin! Very. With my tongue firmly in my cheek.
Mike - drywall covers a multitude of sins. Unfortunately. Which is why some builders play so many games when it comes to having a pre-drywall inspection.
So was this a case of bad design, or a framer who couldn't follow the plans? Either way, I wouldn't buy it!
That's a little scarry. I'm curious to know what the engineer had origionally designed if there was a design at all.
Oh please -- don't get me started. I have had this debate with so many listing agents. You have made my case, so I will simply copy this post. The town's standards are very different than someone like yourself who is inspecting a home for the prospective purchaser.
Tim - throughout the inspection it looked to me like a few things didn't add up, or were not cut correctly!
Rob - I think everything was to align over that foundation wall. On the other side was another triple microlam coming in at a right angle to this one that was cut at least 1" short! The Simpson strap was nailed, but the nails were in the last 1/2"!
William - the wrong side is the wrong side! Door openings can be things that are often missed on a home inspection.
Joan - these things go on and on. I have had many pre-drywall posts! This is not unusual, but it is still wrong!
Well, even though you're not in Iowa, you have some real coRnstruction going on over there!
That's one way to look at it Mike! See today's post also! Just a fun...
Jay, i find so many buyers go to the builders agent directly to buy a new home...after talking with buyers years after, I have never found one who has done a pre-drywall inspection! It floors me so to speak...
Ginny - it does me too. Methinks that to be naivete at its best!
If that header was a micro lam or steel, I would not be that concerned. As for the for the structural plywood floor, I'd be concerned too. What, no one noticed?
The header is a double 2x, and already sagging Jim. The floor is OSB.
I wonder how many people have pre-drywall inspections. If a buyer is buying a new construction and it is already built - a spec home - how will they ever know? Should they not buy spec homes?
Aren't inspections required by the municipality at various stages of construction, including a framing inspection, before the builder is allowed to proceed to the next stage?
Jay, Nice workmanship going on there. Point loads can be a "you know what".
To John #29. Municipal inspectors (AHJ) are usually on site for a very short time. Depending on their inspection load that day and if they know the builder they may not look at much or anything at all.
They depend on the builder to build to a level of compliance which leads to the issues like Jay is pointing out.
There is a catch 22 here. If people (public) want the AHJ (authority having jurisdiction) to inspect to a higher level then the building permits cost will have to increase. So to keep some of the cost down they rely on the builders to have a level of expertise and compliance.
This is why if you are building a home you should build into the cost factor of having an independent inspector to do phase inspections.
Even good builders may miss stuff, you have all these trades coming in and timelines to make and things get missed.
I can't answer the last question Gary, but around here anyway I think more and more people are realizing that pre-drywall inspections are necessary. And I may have been one of the first to suggest and begin doing them.
They are John. And they are done. What does this tell you?
Don - during the boom I calculated that based on the numbers of houses built each inspector in the counties here had about 5 minutes total for ALL their inspections! Point loads, and weight transferrence are very important and something I look at carefully, even measuring distances. The quality of the job depends on the quality of the supervisor and subs.
Jay, thanks so much for the visuals and details. I'm going to share this with my followers as well, as people don't think about home inspections during the construction phase a lot of times.
Thank you Lexa. Pre-drywall is the only time the house is in a skeletal state! You can see things!
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