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I'm One of Those. . .

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I’m one of those!  One of those what, you ask?  I’m one of those, who shops a lot on-line, especially with Amazon!

You can imagine my discomfort with news that Amazon and other online retailers will begin collecting sales tax from the citizens of California tomorrow.

Of course this discomfort is generated by the realization the sales tax savings I avoided from on-line purchases, sometimes helped cover cost of shipping, which wasn’t always free.  This saving will be going away!

However, when emotion was set aside in favor of reason, I hate admitting I understand the reason for this tax.

On-line businesses have enjoyed a distinct advantage over brick and mortar stores, because they have been able to skirt the sales tax in California. 

It is not uncommon for consumers to visit the brick and mortar stores to have a hands-on experience with the product.  They tap store employees and staff for their expertise.  When the consumer walks out of the store empty handed to buy online, it becomes an issue.

It is projected the collected tax of on-line purchases could generate $80 to $100 million a year.  For the cash strapped California budget, that is a significant number.   It has been estimated that states across the country, lose approximately $11.5 billion in uncollected sales tax each year from on-line sales.

Amazon fought California at first over the collection of tax.  However, they have now agreed.  Other GREAT news about Amazon – It is estimated they will create approximately 1,000 jobs, when they build two large distribution centers in this state. 

There is an excellent in-depth article presented by CBS News regarding these developments.  It is titled, “California Law Ends Tax-Free Shopping for Amazon.com and Other Online Retailers.”

Seven states across the U.S. already collect sales tax via Amazon.  Seven more states are slated to begin in the future.

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Myrl Jeffcoat ActiveRain Signature
  

Comments(20)

Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

Interesting on taxes.  I shop online but I am not a big shopper overall.

Sep 14, 2012 02:02 AM
Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage - Brampton, ON
Our Family Wants To Help Your Family!

Haven't done a lot of shopping on line yet Myrl, we do lots of comparisons, but not much of pushing that cart button!

Sep 14, 2012 02:05 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Chuck - I buy lots of books through Amazon.  I hate to admit it, but I can count on the fingers of one hand, the number of times I've been to the shopping mall.  I don't buy clothes on-line however!  Chuck, everytime I look at your profile picture, I think of the Jet Blue flight attendent, who grabbed the beer, and slid town the emergency shoot as he essentially said to take that job and shove it!  I loved the guy!

Sep 14, 2012 02:06 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Al and Peggy - Like I commented to Chuck, I don't visit the mall very often.  I'm there less than a half dozen times a year.  I buy a lot online, especially books!

Sep 14, 2012 02:09 AM
Tim Lorenz
TIM LORENZ - Elite Home Sales Team - Mission Viejo, CA
949 874-2247

My wife is an online shopper.  It is true the online purchase have many advantages to brick and mortar  companies.

Sep 14, 2012 02:14 AM
Mary Stewart
HomeTrust Real Estate, LLC, Homes for Everyone - Wilsonville, OR
Wilsonville and Surrounding Portland Metro Areas

Myrl, that is so interesting.  I do not purhcase much on line with the exception of perhaps books or something I just cannot find elsewhere.

Sep 14, 2012 05:09 AM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Myrl,

All is not lost, and bargains abound on Amazon.  We were recently at a well known cookware store looking for traveling coffee mugs.  We saw one we loved for its design and its brilliant ease of use.  It was $35 for each...I looked up the brand on Amazon and found the EXACT same thing, two for $39.00 free 2 day shipping (we did sign up for Prime Membership).  I don't mind the tax on that...A

Sep 14, 2012 07:35 AM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Myrl, I really don't do a lot of online shopping so it doesn't bother me, but I have felt for a long while that it wasn't fair for online stores to have that advantage...and now I'm guessing other state will follow California's  lead.

Sep 14, 2012 09:22 AM
Yolanda Cordova-Gilbert
Richmond, TX

Myrl,

     I love shopping online many retailers have more discounts online versus brick and mortar and if you are a premuim buyer with the retailer or spend x number of $$$ you can get them shipped free! I have been wondering when the states were going to catch on about taxes!

Sep 14, 2012 10:51 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Tim - When you consider time an important commodity, on-line shopping can be very valuable.

Mary - Books are what I seem to buy most of on-line.

Alexandra - When the cost of gas is factored in, on-line purchases continue their luster.

Nick - Seven states already have the law, with seven more in the works to follow.

Yolanda - That's what I have found as well.





Sep 14, 2012 11:18 AM
Tony & Darcy Cannon
Aubrey and Associates Realty - Layton, UT
The C Team

Myrl, It is inevitable that States will use e commerce to try to make up for budget short falls, I wonder if it will help the traditional store front businesses.

Sep 14, 2012 11:36 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Tony and Darcy - I am hopeful that a side effect will be that it will help brick and mortar stores that are in our communities.

Sep 14, 2012 12:34 PM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

While it well sting a bit at first, like you said, it's understandable that the playing field is giving leveled here.

Sep 14, 2012 12:36 PM
Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP
DFW FINE PROPERTIES - Flower Mound, TX
Selling Homes Changing Lives

Myrl,

I believe I heard the same thing is true in Texas but I need to pay attention more to get the facts straight. Well... like it or not, all business owners have to make choices.

As consumers, I like that we have choices to shop in brick and mortar or on-line. Both of plus and minuses.

Good luck shopping for the things that interest you and no matter how you get them, I hope you always get them successfully!

Sep 15, 2012 01:40 AM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

Myrl I think this will be carried over to other States.   I am sure the Brick and Morton stores are glad for a more level playing field.  Can't say I am a big shopper on or offline.  I am sure you will still find great deals online, happy shopping.

Sep 15, 2012 09:20 AM
Toni Weidman
Sailwinds Realty - Trinity, FL
20+ Years Selling Homes in New Port Richey, FL

If CA did it, Florida will not be far behind, Myrl. It just watches and copies.

Sep 15, 2012 09:15 PM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Most of us will hate to see added sales taxes.  However, the states do need the money and it helps level the playing field for local merchants.


Sep 15, 2012 10:55 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Unless you're not buying directly from Amazon when you're shopping at Amazon. I read that 30 or 40% of Amazon's business is through third-party vendors, and if you buy from one of those vendors, there is no sales tax.

Sep 16, 2012 01:25 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Myrl, One of the things I like about looking on line for price points is that many stores will honor the on-line price. I would rather have something purchased locally because I appreciate what these people have to pay for their brick and mortar shops. Retail is tough but they also have relationships with the Mfg in case someything goes wrong. They have to invest in the inventory, pay to keep the employees on staff and pay to keep the lights on. Sales tax is due whether purchased on-line or not anyway. Seems only fair if we shop their and use their inventory to decide what we want. 

Sep 16, 2012 08:33 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Have a great day and an outstanding weekend with your camera in hand.


Sep 27, 2012 10:26 PM