Special offer

Atlas it Ain't

By
Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Strength, resistance to force. A concept that is elegantly simple. We have all built things with building blocks, Lincoln Logs, or whatever toys are at hand. As children we begin to figure out quickly that too much weight makes our sky scraper collapse. We begin again, with new knowledge, hopeful our new design will reach to the ceiling and beyond.

An undersized support column and footingHowever reality can be a real bitch.

At times I think these playroom construction techniques are carried into adulthood. Looking at this support column and footing, I would believe that to an untrained eye it looks sturdy at a glance.

It is not.

Looking carefully one can see column's top plate is bending. A closer look reveals the curve.

This type of support column is very common to find in many basements here in Connecticut. It is also not meant for the job it has been assigned. This is a temporary support column designed generally for bracing during repair work. There do exist permanent support columns that look very similar. The main difference is the diameter and thickness of the steel.

And they are labeled for permanent use.

Support plate of a temporary column bowed from too much weightAnother issue here is the concrete footing onto which this column bears. It is grossly undersized. To put this in perspective, a deck usually will require footings of a diameter of 10 - 12 inches. This footing is 8 inches. Very generally, depending on soils and number of supports, a footing for a single story house is a 12 - 16 inch pad.

Is it any wonder this support is sinking?

 

Posted by

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

 ASHI Certified Inspector

To find out more about our other high tech services we offer in Connecticut click on the links below:

Learn more about our Infrared Thermal Imaging & Diagnostics services.

Serving the Connecticut Counties of Fairfield, Hartford, Middlesex, New Haven, Southern Litchfield and Western New London.

Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Aside from all the considerations you've mentioned, I can easily visualize this set up bending, deflecting side ways under stress. A longer column to a sufficiently sized pad at the floor line is much more stable.

Oct 07, 2012 11:42 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Looking up close and having reality join you is what is necessary when spending tens of thousands of dollars...good post

Oct 07, 2012 11:47 PM
Edward Gilmartin
CRE - Boston, MA

One would think building codes would not permit such things.

Oct 08, 2012 12:01 AM
Kathryn Maguire
GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881 - Chesapeake, VA
Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach

I wonder who installed this support?  Certainly not a professional of any great reputation.

Oct 08, 2012 12:28 AM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

In our area, we call that temporary steel supports "Lolly Columns" (no idea why)... and they generally have several holes throughout the column to adjust for height... and one the height is proper, there's a steel pin that's put through the holes to hold it in place.

that transfers all the weight of the house onto that tiny little pin... which could easily shear.

I see them all the time... they're intended to be temporary, and they've been in the basement for 20+ years.

 

Oct 08, 2012 01:45 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

James -- I remember having several of those in the basement of the home we were renting when they were replacing the basement walls.  And to answer Alan's question, it is actually "Lally" and here is link to information on why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lally_column 

Oct 08, 2012 04:35 AM
Ginger Harper
Coldwell Banker Sea Coast Advantage~ Ginger Harper Real Estate Team - Southport, NC
Your Southport~Oak Island Agent~Brunswick County!

WE have strict building inspectors that would not allow this to pass. It is scary to think that the house could be so unstable that it may fall. Glad that you were able to see this and make note for the safety of others..

Oct 08, 2012 05:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It would be okay if they added two more, right?

That's some serious bend on the top plate!  Is that "footer" sitting on soil in a cellar?

Oct 08, 2012 08:11 AM
Kevin Mackessy
Blue Olive Properties, LLC - Highlands Ranch, CO
Dedicated. Qualified. Local.

That looks pretty flimsy.  It's a wonder that some buildings are permitted to exist like this.  It must be an unpleasant surprise when you discover something like that.  

Oct 08, 2012 09:25 AM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

James - Even Atlas was agree that this is silly, maybe it's time to get some additional support.   :)

Oct 08, 2012 10:48 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, Atlas shrugs ; ) Funny I see these time to time also. I actually did see a home built with steel columns but they were engineered.

Oct 08, 2012 11:11 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Robert, Yes it would be.

Richie, Sometimes reality and ideas are like ships in the night. Case in point :)

Edward, They most certainly do, buuut one has to follow the proper process like getting permits and inspections. 

Kathryn, I'm thinkin' homeowner with enough skills to be dangerous :)

Alan, Yes Lally is a generic term like Kleenex. There are columns that look just like the one pictured, but are made to be permanent. 

Steven, Those screw columns are very common. 

Ginger, I'm thinking if the building inspector had saw this, he would have not allowed it. 

Jay, There is another one, but only one. I will pass along the advice ;)

Kevin, Yes it was. The look on the clients face when I was explaining the issues was one of great disappointment. I take no pleasure in that part of the job, but on the brioght side the client is saved from larger heartaches in the future. 

Tom, Yep, a lot more support.

Don, How about wood columns? 

Oct 11, 2012 09:41 PM