Believe It Or Not, It's Just "Hanging In There".

Yes believe it or not this is rot.

Ordinary wood rot is the process of decay due to the breakdown of the wood fiber components as they are exposed to mold, micro-organisms, insects and water. This is a complete ecology with the mold eating the wood and other things feeding on the mold and weakened wood and others feeding on them, etcetera, etcetera.

rotten veranda post.

It can occur right before your eyes, as in this case, as well as in hidden locations. Primarily all that is required is the relatively frequent recurrence or constant presence of water. Other than that it's the right temperature range and the ubiquitous presence of mold spores and the rest of the micro-biology team. (They're always waiting in the wings.)

Here this is outdoors on a secluded corner of the veranda, and the caulk that was used to 'seal' where the wood and concrete touched is still there.  Caulk only works between some materials, in drained conditions and is the back-up to proper flashing or other separation controls. Caulking instead of the classic separation and flashing details will only work for a short time.

Here's the shocker (for some);Believe it or not -  Just like copper is a conductor for electricity, concrete (and cement and masonry) conducts water.  It does not have to be cracked or broken to transmit water to wood in contact with it. Just being in touch, in contact is sufficient.

That's why framing sills (mud sills) and basement wall shoe plates have to be gasketed between the wood and the concrete. Old school material was tar paper. Now there are rolls of foam plastic/vinyl gasketing available in widths to match the dimensions of the wood.

So in this case the caulking sealed out nothing. It actually prevented drying of the wood here which would have preserved it longer.

The concrete conducted water to the face end of this 4x4 column and the end grain would draw in the water by capliarry action, similar to a straw but driven by chemical affinity rather than suction forces. This is how water moves in the living tree.

So evert time this concrete surface got wet from weather or garden watering it delivered water to the wood. The paint and caulking kept the water in place so the wood rotted.

Believe it or not, this was pressure treated wood. The rest of the column is dry and has no rot.  The guaranty or warranty instruction for this product promises that it will last for 20 years outdoors provided it is not in contact with water or water retaining materials. It can even be in ground contact as long as it rests in a drained gravel bed.

Fortunately for this homeowner this column is not structural. It's just "hanging in there".

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Robert, Most think of concrete as this impenetrable substance. But just as you show it is far from it. I think they say moisture move through in about 12 seconds.

7:06pm • #5
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sounds like the caulk was more of a detriment that it was helping the cause. Why do people get so caulk happy?

5:05am • #6
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Robert, interesting information about concrete conducting water. What is the fix so it doesn't happen again?

5:11am • #7
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That is a frighening photo.  It gives me chills just thinking about the accidents waiting to happen.

5:33am • #8
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That's some pretty scary stuff right there Robert.  I wouldn't want to be hanging out on that deck.                                     

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Great Picture for your example.

6:05am • #10
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Caulk and paint can operate to keep moisture in wood if the conditions are right---it is a good thing to avoid :)

6:31am • #11
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Whew...An accident just waiting to happen.  Glad you caught that one..  Great post.

7:00am • #12
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Hi Don, I didn't know ablout that speed but I wouldn't be supprised.

Yes Brian, If coulk had not been used the result wolud have been very different.

Michael the fix is the separation either with gasketing materials that enhance drying or mecanical seperator brackets the connect but maintain an air space.

You're right Charita. There's not much keeping the safety railing system in place.

This is on the front of the house, but you don't see it from the street. Thanks for commenting. (the Christiansens)

It IS a good example Chuck.

Hi Charles, Yes, some avoid caulk and paint altogether.

Thanks for commenting Ginger.

7:14am • #13
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It sure looks like it just hanging there. . a good kick and its hanging days are over. .

7:55am • #14
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Absolutely Fernando, it has no future.

8:18am • #15
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Got some wood rot at my own home that I am trying to get someone to give me an estimate on. Wood rot is very scary to me.

10:55am • #16

Wow, that looks pretty dangerous.  It's crazy how such tiny organisms can cause such large problems.

11:46am • #17
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Excellent advice and protecting wood is definitely a concern up here in WA, especially now that we are in the winter months.

11:54am • #18
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Roger, I've seen people take situations like this and just sawzall out the "bad part" and stack 2 x 4's in there, caulk the hell out of it and paint it. They really think that's "fixed."

3:57pm • #19
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Robert - There isn't much left here.  It's good it's not structural.

8:23pm • #20
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I call those 'hanging posts', or 'wood stalactites'

3:16am • #21
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Thanks for your comments Nan & Shane. (and # 18).

Eric a good carpenter can patch replace the damaged areas with new material using scarfed, tennoned or notched joinery and bolts. No caulking thank you.

Hi Reuben; good names, "mites go up and tites go down".

 

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Great article Robert. I remember spending 2 weekends on my back sawing away the first foot above ground of all our cottage garage wall studs to remove the railroad ties the building was built on. Talk about all the nasties such as mould and bugs.

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That sound like a big job there John, and you probably got pretty dirty doing it. I hate handeling railway ties because of the cresote.

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