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What were they thinking?!?

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Home Builder with Winslow Homes

Sometimes when visiting a home, I have that moment of surprise when damage is a direct result of how the home was built (and possibly designed).  This was such a home.

Drywall ceiling water damage

 

These nice folks are getting ready to possibly list their home for sale.  And they have this mysterious staining and mildew/mold on the garage drywall ceiling.

 

Being in home repairs, I have received special traning that I can tell that this is not normal.  Don't try this at home.

 

Ok, so anyone would know this is not normal.  You got me.  Mold in the house, not normal, except on that sandwhich in the back of the fridge you forgot from last month.  You might want to get that out of there.

 

But I digress...

 

So being the naturally curious guy I am, I wanted to find out WHY there is damage on a drywall ceiling that is under what looks to be a really nice roof.  My first thought was a nail pop or a window leak. 

So we went upstairs and looked out the window on the roof.  No window over the area.  Very strange.

It's a low slope roof, so I ventured out to see if there was a hole in the shingles.  No hole at all.  Hmmm...

A vent into a drywall ceiling?!? What were they thinking?

So then I go back down, and walk around to the left side of the house.  And that's where the surprise was waiting!

I was literally shocked that there would be a vent, directly onto a drywall ceiling.  And really, I was surprised there would be a vent here at all!

If there wasn't ceiling there, then the water would be coming directly into the garage.  Onto everything and anything the homeowner had stored there.  Really?  What were they thinking when they built this?

 

So my advise to this homeowner is that we delete this vent, cover the hole with sheathing, put in the vapor barrier, and install some vinyl siding over it. 

There will be no ventilation to this space over the garage, but at least there won't be any water damage from the ventilation either!

Hopefully that's the end of the surprises for this house.  But you just never know when you'll find yourself wondering, "What were they thinking?!"

 

***10/26/12 UPDATE:  For those of you that wondered about eliminating the ventilation into this area, we still plan to delete this vent.  It is not in the proper location to keep water from going into the vent.  But we'll likely install a vent on the front roof to offset this removal, probably something like a mushroom vent that you would see on the rear of a house roof.

***10/26/12 1:59EDT UPDATE:  We don't really like the thought of a mushroom vent here (on the front garage roof, yuck!), so we're seeing about getting a hood over this vent, or a vent with better louver design.  The architect says this is probably the wrong application for this particular vent.  And as some others in the comments below remarked, we're going to investigate if there are any additional sources of the water intrusion once we remove the drywall.  There may be more than one source with the gutter downspout here as well.

Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Thanks, Bruce.  That's good advice.

We'll certainly take the drywall down first and assess the situation to make sure we've got the right source.  I usually tell folks that fixing leaks can sometimes be a process, as there are usually many candidates for the source of the water.  I don't think I've told these folks that yet, but I'll be sure to communicate it to them.

I appreciate you taking time to read and give constructive feedback!

Oct 26, 2012 03:16 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Hope the leak gets fixed. Why vent that small part of the garage like an attic?  Hope your 'fixes and ideas' work to get the problem solved.

Oct 26, 2012 05:19 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Thanks, Lyn.  We do need some sort of ventilation here, as the heat would build up in this small "attic" type area and cause their shingles to fail many years too soon.  But this certainly is not the right vent to be here as it's been letting water in.

We're looking into a different vent, one that has lower angled louvers to keep more of the rain out.  So venting will be needed, but the exact vent is to be determined.

Oct 26, 2012 05:26 AM
M. Lynn Delatte
Developers Realty - Broadview Heights, OH

Good Luck with getting the vent taken care of.  Sounds like you have been working hard to find the right solution.

Oct 26, 2012 05:40 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Lynn, thanks.  It certainly is a work in progress, and usually with leaks we find something unexpected once we remove the drywall.  It'll be fun to fix, whatever it is!

Oct 26, 2012 06:02 AM
Beth and Richard Witt
New York, NY
The best Retired Brokers !!!!

Good information for ALL HOME OWNERS... Thank you...

Beth

Oct 26, 2012 06:06 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Thanks, Beth!  As you can see from the above conversation and the updates, there is a lot to take into consideration to make sure we aren't creating a problem as well!

Oct 26, 2012 06:10 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

I've seen a lot as well, and I'm not an inspector. My favorite was an electrical box 6" from another one. Clearly "dad" got a 6 pack and went into the garage to do something handy....all he did was feed the wires from one into the next one? Why?

Oct 26, 2012 07:37 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Best success on your investigation. I hope it turns out to be "just" the vent - and not some mysterious water source.

Oct 26, 2012 10:06 AM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

Sometimes venting is the most important thing I find wrong on an inspection. The house has to breathe. Good luck. 

Oct 26, 2012 10:48 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

Karen (#55) - I think "dad" has some relatives in my area...

Oct 26, 2012 12:46 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Don't need a moisture meter for that stain :) Good luck, you seem to have no shortage of advice. 

Oct 26, 2012 10:58 PM
Ric Mills
Keller Williams Southern Az - Tucson, AZ
Integrity, Honesty, and Vast Real Estate Knowledge

Install a vent on the interior garage ceiling and remove this one .  FCOL that is really dumb.  You can probably do it all over this neighborhood.

Oct 27, 2012 05:07 AM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas
Jeremy, Interesting post! It really does make you wonder what they were thinking. Thanks for updating us.
Oct 27, 2012 08:38 AM
Cyndi Carver
The Carver Home Team - Covington, WA
Newcastle & East Renton Specialist

Goes to show, sellers should always consider a home inspection before putting their home up for sale.

Oct 28, 2012 01:32 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Karen, I love reading the inspector blogs just for seeing things like that!  Real estate agents get to see a lot of things BEFORE they're "cleaned" up as well.

Marte, I think it will be the vent and the downspout.  Thanks for the good luck wishes!

Scott, that's certainly going to be the trick here.  Keeping it vented, without looking stupid and without getting water in through the vent!  Thanks!

Travis, I think they have relatives here, too!

James, we can certainly find that one without the meter.  And yes, no shortage of advice, much of it quite helpful.  Once we remove that drywall, we'll know more and will have a better idea of what the exact course will be.

Ric, I didn't see any more over the neighborhood, but you can bet I'll be keeping my eye out for that one.  And I learned what FCOL was as well!  Thanks!

DeeDee, I did have to wonder!  I think it boiled down to the other side of this area is closed off by a wall, so no venting could go there.  And they didn't put a "ridge" vent at the junction of this short roof and the wall.  So they put one here, and it wasn't the right kind of vent.

Amen, Cyndi.  Amen.

 

 

Oct 28, 2012 04:18 AM
Wayne Johnson
Coldwell Banker D'Ann Harper REALTORS® - San Antonio, TX
San Antonio REALTOR, San Antonio Homes For Sale

Jeremy-Water seems to always show up where you don't want it when it comes to home issues. The homeowner is lucky to have you approach the solution the right way, and not do what a lot of repair guys do-scare them to death, charge a lot of money for a half-assed repair, and disappear.

Oct 30, 2012 02:11 PM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Wayne, water is usually the main problem we deal with in regards to repairs.  Thanks for the compliments!

Oct 31, 2012 03:14 AM
Brad Baylor
ERA Coup Agency - Milton, PA

Jeremy - Never ceases to amaze me the things I see in this biz. 

Nov 01, 2012 05:22 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Brad, there are always surprises when it comes to homes!

Nov 01, 2012 07:09 AM