A Bleeding America and Lots of Band Aids

President Bush's "Rate Freeze"

The "Countrywide Bailout"

The "Rebate Check" and a "Possible Recession"

The Value of a US Dollar

Social "In-Security?"

Every once in a while, I need to write an article that isn't entirely mortgage industry specific, but rather broad. Why? Many other elements affect the housing and mortgage industries and the housing/mortgage industries affect many other elements of our economy and society.

 

I find myself wondering often now, "Does the average person realize the trouble that our country is in?!"

  

Maybe it's because I look into my 13 month old daughters eyes and question how our actions now will directly affect her life.

                                                  

 

I'm not a "Doom and Gloom" person by any means. In fact, being a business owner, I'm actually very optimistic and a part of the entrepreneurial spirit to which our country was founded and thrives on. However, our country is on the brink of major problems. Unfortunately, few care how the economy works (and fewer comprehend how it works) on a micro and macro level, and what can be done to help fix it. Meanwhile, we have a Government that continues to make decisions for us, putting "band aids" on top of the wounds of our country. Surgery isn't performed the way it should, to go in and correct the problem directly, rather a "quick fix" band aid is placed on top of  problems, which often fall off when it starts to rain again. I ask this...

 

                                                     Would you rather lose a limb or die a slow bleeding death?

 

What our country needs to do is allow the free market to run its course and correct itself, WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. Otherwise, we have a "falsified capitalistic market" that isn't transparent and will only continue to eliminate the middle class and create a major gap between the wealthy and the poor. I'm sure the large majority of readers of this article will be in the middle classes.

 

 

President Bush's "Rate Freeze" Proposal

                                                                      

I wrote an article recently, labeled "Bush's Bogus Rate Freeze." Our President's course of action to address the "sub-prime meltdown" was to sit down with the banks that made risky mortgage loans and ask them to put a "rate freeze" on sub-prime mortgages that were set to "readjust" to much higher payments. Payments that would probably mean an estimated payment increase of 1.5 times their current payment. Meanwhile, the borrower gets to live in a home with a current payment that is probably more then what they could afford by standard Underwriting guidelines to begin with! Yes, some of these poor souls were victims to mortgage fraud. Most of them were fully aware of their poor decisions and are now being rewarded for it. Regardless, they were approved, more often than not, on "Stated Income/Stated Asset" loans, where their ability to repay the loan was never confirmed. I have 3 problems with Bush's rate freeze as a "band aid."

                                                           

                                                                                              Problem 1

You are essentially dragging out the inevitable foreclosures 3+ more years, to avoid a larger number of them on the market all at once now. If a person can't afford the "recalculated" payment now, it is likely that they won't be able to afford the recalculated payment in the near future. Let the market correct itself with a "hands off approach" and homes values will rebound much faster, even if there are more foreclosures on the market upfront.

                                                                                           Problem 2

The proposed "rate freeze" would only affect sub prime borrowers. How fair is it to help one group of borrowers (that had bad credit to begin with) and turn a blind eye to good borrowers with excellent credit that can't afford the reset payment on their adjustable rate mortgages facing foreclosure as well? It's simply not fair.

 

                                                                                            Problem 3

You are allowing the Government to interfere with the free, capitalistic market of risk and reward. The banks, investors and borrowers all took a bad risk that didn't pan out. Freezing interest rates on third parties investments will only create less desire by Wall Street to invest in Mortgage Backed Securities once again, continuing the "Credit Crisis" we are now in. Freezing rates belittles their investment and expected rates of return, which will turn them towards other investments with less risk of Government intervention (or persuasion) and the same returns.

The "Countrywide Bailout"

 

Countrywide Home Loans was the Number 1 lender in the United States. Number 1! And they were facing major problems, which very few saw coming. I saw many of the signs before others, and it had the potential to affect millions. I wonder how many shareholders of Countrywide stock would have saved thousands of dollars, had they read my article, "The Countrywide Controversy?" You think Enron was bad? Now you're talking about millions of home loans across that United States that could possibly be orphans!

But Uncle Sam couldn't allow that. Why? It would be devastating to our economy. As such, everyone looked around at who could take on such a task. Yes. Bank of America to the rescue. But why would a financially sound company take on Countrywide for a combined $6 Billion that has class action lawsuits against it in several states and a poorly performing sub-prime loan portfolio, with an increasing amount of foreclosures? Some say it's because Bank of America sees the takeover of Countrywide as an opportunity to learn all of the "state of the art, behind the scenes operations of the number 1 lender in the United States, which did it better then anyone else" Ummm...If you did it better then anyone else, you wouldn't be selling your interests in the company to Bank of America to begin with!

Behind closed doors incentives from Uncle Sam maybe? Being able to write off substantial losses from their books with some additional love from the American Taxpayer? The banking industry and lending industry are regulated by two different entities. Maybe Bank of America saw an opportunity to enter into a different business, which doesn't require them to have a 10% regulated safety net on deposits? Had Countrywide gone bankrupt, the financial markets would have been in distraught. Yes, even more so than they are already. I think the overtaking of Countrywide by Bank of America still has a lot of revealing to do, especially as B of A looks deeper into Countrywide's portfolio and business practices. In the meantime, it will act as a great band aid for the economy and only time will tell.

 

The "Rebate Check" and a "Possible Recession"

 

On January 18th, President Bush called for a short-term $140 billion economic stimulus package to help give the sagging U.S. economy a "shot in the arm", which now stands before Congress to keep the United States out of a recession. In 2001, every tax payer received a "rebate check" of $300 for an individual and $600 for a married couple.

An October 2002 paper by the National Bureau of Economic Research said that roughly 20 percent of Americans spent the checks. Nearly a third of the people who got checks saved or invested the refund, and the rest used it to pay off bills or debt. In 2008, President Bush is proposing up to an $800 "rebate check" for individuals and $1600 for married couples, which could be seen as early as Spring 2008. The idea is to get people to spend money and stimulate the economy. The catch is, the "rebate check" is really a loan, not a rebate! Do you really think every American taxpayer "overspent" on paying their taxes somewhere and a Government that is in a major deficit "owes us a rebate?" No, not really! Accepting a rebate check in 2008 will be an advance on the refund you'll get when you file April 2009. What happens if you actually owe money on your 2009 taxes? Hmmm! The old saying, "there's no such thing as a free lunch" will still hold true!

 

See what happened to your 2001 "rebate" here: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/taxadvance.htm

 

All of the talk now is about avoiding a recession. I pose the thought that we have been in a recession for some time now and it was just masked really well by the housing market. As home prices escalated over the past few years, homeowners had a false perception of their net wealth, thinking, "Wow, my home is worth $200,000+ more dollars then I bought it for a few years ago?!" This created a very large group of consumers across the United States that were "living the American Dream" and treated their homes like ATM machines, buying cars, boats, vacations and many other things. But, would those individuals have spent that money and purchased those items if their home was still worth what they purchased it for? Probably not! And now, their homes are trickling back down in value and they may even owe more on the home then what it is worth!

 

The Value of a Dollar

                         

 

The continuous deflation of the U.S. Dollar is a major problem that worries me. Have you read a dollar bill recently? It says, "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE." LEGAL U.S. TENDER that at one point was backed by gold at Fort Knox and the U.S. Treasury. Every dollar in global circulation had gold behind it. As the United States Government continues to print off U.S. currency that doesn't have gold to back it up, what happens to the value of our currency? Yes, it gets devalued. And such is the case with our dollar today. You get less "bang for your buck", far less! My grandfather was a butcher that raised an entire family of 7 in a 2,500 square foot home on a butcher's wage. Now, I see married couples with dual incomes, earning over $125,000 combined that can barely pay the bills at the end of the month, living in a condo with 2 children! What type of lifestyle are we leading ourselves into in America? Foreign interests are now looking at the United States as a bargain, because their currencies are so much stronger then ours. No wait...they're looking at our country as a steal! What will happen to the United States job economy of the future, as foreign interests grow stronger and hold a larger stake in the United States economy? A large portion of the existing U.S. workforce is the retiring Baby Boom generation, which counts for 25% of the existing workforce, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics! How will that look on our GDP numbers?

 

I think Americans need to go "back to the basics." I see far too many people that live above and beyond their means in mine and my parents' generation. The power of the marketing dollar has led our society into thinking what we ought to be, instead of what really counts and what we should be.

 

Relying on "Social In-Security?"

  

As of now, my dad is 56 and expected to receive 75% of his estimated Social Security disbursements. Will fiscal policy change that to 50% by the time he is eligible?

 

What will you get? I'm 28 and expecting none of it!

 

Wake up America! 2008 is an election year.

 

Will your voice be heard in these important times?

 

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33 Comments on A Bleeding America and Lots of Band Aids

Good morning Scott.  Reading your post was like trying to eat a steak dinner for breakfast!  I really appreciate the insights you shared on the state of our economy.  Being a mortgage company owner and father of a 10-month old myself, I share many of the same concerns as you.  We are such a reactive nation, from our finances to our healthcare system.  We usually end up dealing with the problems far after they've come along and that is quite evident in the mortgage mess we have right now.

Where do we go from here?  Band-aids aside, with rates in the low 5%'s, I'm hoping for some people to get back in the real estate game and start buying up some of the inventory.  It will take time to eat through the future foreclosures, builder supply, and the rest of the homes/condos on the market, but the pendulum will eventually swing back and we'll be ready when it does.  Thanks again for the thought-provoking words.

01/23/2008 09:27 AM by Mike Tullio, Blue Skye Lending


A wonderfully thoughtful post. I came into this business for my children. It has caused me to pay more attention to such matters as outlined in your post. Reading stories about homeowners and the actions of firms and Congress leaves one scratching his head. Why can we not produce thoughtful plans as a nation without the fear of upsetting one group or another. I believe that considered explanations would be accepted by the public. I think that it was John Steinbeck who had a quote along the lines of if you write for the lowest common denominator, you produce work of the lowest common denominator. Are we addressing issues that our society faces with band-aids, when we should be healing? Probably so. 

01/23/2008 10:12 AM by Frank Schulte-Ladbeck (Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections)


Scott,  Didn't try to read all of your lengthy post.  Did hear on the morning news that only21 % of past rebates were spent on something other than debt.credit cards.

01/23/2008 10:15 AM by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor (Century 21 Tripower Realty)


Scott - excellent review of the situation we find ourselves in. Couldn't agree with you more. Seems more problems are being created than solved, and so much of it politically motivated. 

Jeff 

01/23/2008 10:40 AM by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Real Estate (RE/MAX Associates)


Extremely well written and I couldn't agree more - our system works if you let it and every time the Government tries to "fix" something they only make it worse.

01/23/2008 11:04 AM by Chris Pollinger (Mastery Coaching)


Scott,  This entire mess was caused because of corporate greed and total disregard for the middle class.  What about the poor?? What poor? The people who do not pay taxes and will not benefit from the rebate check....its all just horribly wrong and sad.

You are right though about letting the free market do what it will, but we are so tied to the world economy and owe foreign nations so much not sure that would be possible.  Yes these checks would be a loan but don't know about you but we do not qualify its for people earning under $100K a year (and should be!!)

Good post, yes it was like eating a steak dinner for breakfast <grin>

01/23/2008 11:26 AM by Cathy & Gary Elmore (John L. Scott - Ocean Shores)


Scott,

I am not a shill for either poltical party since there is a lot of blame to go around. If John Kerry had been elected would he have done anything different since he'd be riding this same wave with the same wipe out we are experiencing right now?

You can look at the system starting from wall street and work backwards all the way back to point of origination. There is blood everywhere.

First point just like quarterbacks, presidents get too much credit and too much blame so to pin Bush down on this is fine but Barney Frank and friends better be underneath him because they have been there longer than Bush and are the oversight to this stuff and there was NO OVERSIGHT. Big problem.

This is interesting times and the economists (the experts) the pundits all over the spectrum disagree if we are in a recession or not. I think we are in a mild one but I must confess after listening or reading the pundit of the day I may change my mind again. The one known fact is nobody has their arms around this thing completely.

I lived through the tail end of the atomic age (hide under your desk), the energy crisis, (Nixon 1972 price freeze), the era of "stagflation" (Jimmy Carter era) and now we are here today sitting in another situation and the connecting link to all is the lack of will as a country to hold politicians accountable. Mediocre results is the status quo and you, your dad and me (all of us) collectively let them get away with it.

The fed is the back stop so they have to take certain steps and some think Bernanke is an idiot some think he is doing fine some think somewhere in the middle. Since preception/emotion plays a role in our economic model (just watch the big board) the government must send a signal for local and international consumption that they are on it. Even if the dirty little secret is it probably won't do much of substance it makes the markets around the world "feel" better and trade accordingly. Over simplified but it is what it is.

Your dad is part of the largest voting block and I guarentee his situation won't change but I gurantee yours will.

In the end the market will work this through with a little fringe activity on the side. We will see new regulation out of this that will cost the consumer more in the long run most likely since the politicians don't have any idea what they are dealing with but it is a political season lucky us!

When you were getting out of college (presume you attended) Clinton was elected and as an economy we had a pretty good run so for you this is the first calamity you have lived through and it seems even worse because of the instant media and the constant drumming of blah blah blah 24/7 and it is easy to fall into the glaze they pitch. It's good to turn the TV OFF from time to time.

I've contemplated filing a law suit because my parents were middle class and didn't leave me millions but my attorney advised me that life isn't fair!

Couldn't cover all your stuff, my response was not very technical and my response flew over a lot but I sincerely appreciate the passion and respect the fact you are engaged in your surrondings. Very thought provoking comments....LOVE IT.

We will land on our feet. I may seem cavalier about this I am not but history proves my point and although history does not predict the future it sure gives us context to assist us in the future.

Keep on keepin' on....

 

01/23/2008 11:36 AM by Kirk Williams, #LMA 510-LO-32537 (Mortgage Advisory Group)


Although I understand the frustration, the medicine proposed would cause - would be disastrous.   At this moment you would have a complete implosion of world markets and you could easily plunge the entire world economy into an abyss.  The free-market cowboy mentality is the same the same distorted view of reality that gave rise to the problems we have today.  This market was bought and paid for by the new robber barons and is the direct result of letting free markets "work it out."  Those countries (particularly in Europe) who are looking at America as a "steal" are not capitalist in the truest sense of the word.  Europe has very high taxes but you GET SOMETHING for them - such as national health care and a safety net should your means of earning a living disappear. Individually, the ability to develop fabulous wealth is limited, BUT, most can earn a decent living at decent wages and they don't live in fear of a single serious illness having the capacity drive an entire family into unending debt and poverty. 

 The root cause of a lot of this is the supply-side/trickle down nonsense that the republicans have been spewing for the past 28 years. Its time to address the root issue: the inability of the average Joe to maintain a reasonable living standard.  That means higher wages, better benefits and intervention  so that the robber barons don't scarf up everything in their path.

 

01/23/2008 12:45 PM by Ruthmarie Hicks (Nelson-Vrooman GMAC)


I never thought this great country of ours would be in this mess. There is blame to spread around all across the board. Will these band-aids work? That's everyone's guess. Only time will tell.

01/23/2008 01:28 PM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


I agree with you and with Mike. Bank of America would not be buying Countrywide if it did not expect to make a profit. A very good summary of our current situation. Thanks.

01/23/2008 01:31 PM by Portland Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


You have some great points Mike, but one thing:  No matter how little government intervention, the bottom line too lies with consumer greed.  We do have some control over our spending habits and our egos.  These were helped along by companies willing to lend to high-risk borrowers and give people 140% loans and interest only loans.

Interest only?  140%?  As a homeowner, what sense do these types of loans make? 

01/23/2008 03:10 PM by Rebecca Levinson-R.E. Blogger/Connect2Agent (Connect2Agent)


I said in another comment I hope the band-aid holds for awhile.  I am offended by the fact that no one is saying recession when apparently it is. Otherwise there would be no need for the panic and the Feds reducing the prime rate like they did.

01/23/2008 06:40 PM by Endea Thibodeaux, CLHMS, RECS Real Estate Auctions (Auction2Sell, LLC)


Thank you for giving us a great post.  Your right on the mark!

01/23/2008 08:50 PM by Dick Betts (Dick Betts National Speaker)


Ruthmarie, this isn't a Rep or Dem problem.  This is a problem of government interfering where it doesn't belong as it has since 1913.  The average Joe can't afford a decent standard of living because every administration of this and the last century have implemented inflationary policies and confiscatory tax schemes that keep Joe impoverished. 

I'm sliding off topic - sorry - Scott, you are absolutely correct that we need to take the medicine that comes from letting the jerks that made the bad paper sink and let the market work it out.  Without the government (that's your money and mine, by the way) bailing out consumers who over-reached or investment banks that sold this crap as if it were safe investments.  Greed on both ends of the spectrum caused this.

01/23/2008 09:43 PM by Steve Norris (All Pro Realty Group)


Scot - really nice work here. Yep, the sign of out times is another example of what happens when greed gets into ones head. Bonehead is certainly not smart enough to fic it, rate freeze or thaw, but we did like seeing how the market bounced back today, temporary balm that it is.

Thanks for your thoughts and your efforts on this on.

cheers 

01/23/2008 10:29 PM by Gary Bolen (CRS) Lake Tahoe Real Estate Information (Dickson Realty - South Lake Tahoe)


There is no doubt that the biggest problems we face will only be made worse with more government interference.  Not only the mortgage issue, but Social Security, health care and most other things work much better when the government stays away.  At one point or another I've written about all of them. 

And the worst possible thing that could happen now is for a bunch or Democrats that toss around the word greed without even being able to define it reasonably, to get control.  If they actually got their way, the Depression would be a garden party in comparison. 

01/23/2008 10:44 PM by Lane Bailey - The REALTOR for Car People (Century 21 Network Realty)


Your line about losing a limb or bleeding to death is a phrase I have been using.  Speculators are cutting off their arms and letting their properties that have lost money go back to the bank to avoid bleeding to death!

I say let the free market reign. 

01/23/2008 11:18 PM by Renee Burrows - Las Vegas NV Real Estate (Nevada Realty Solutions)


I had this very conversation today with someone.  It's scary to see the foreign investors getting a bargain on our country.  Yes, definately time to wake up! 

I've read some of your other articles as well, you are doing an excellent job with your blog. 

01/24/2008 03:45 AM by Chrystina Tovani - Sacramento Metro Living (RealtyOne)


I agree with the band-aids. The government has a huge box of them and are free to use them whenever. I wonder if they even think about what they are doing when they decide to use one. I can't imagine trying to fix a severe wound with a band-aid. It will get harder before it gets better.

01/24/2008 11:14 AM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


Scott,

How have you been? I came across this post and thought, hmmm, here is someone who feels as I do about the current problems. Then I noticed it was you!!! Must be your roots:)  Excellent points here for all of us to read.  I actually "do" think the average person realizes what is going on, but feels helpless to do anything about it. I personally feel like a "sitting duck" in a shooting gallery.  I have been around much longer than you and this is the probably one of the worse times I've lived through, not for me personally, perhaps, but for many many people in the US!!! It breaks my heart to see what has been happening in our government. And to be honest, I am not sure whomever we elect will be able to sort out the myriad of problems that the US faces at this moment in time. And yes, I am an optimist:)

01/24/2008 11:25 AM by Karen Hurst ~ Real Estate Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Storm Realty LLC)


I would really like to see the government stay out of this and let the free market figure it out. Maybe what this country needs is a stiff kick in the pants and realize what we have, by losing some of it. Too many Americans take our country for granted and can't comprehend what makes the country tick...capitalism.

01/24/2008 11:35 AM by Jennifer Kirby (Exit Realty Eden Prairie)


I love America, ever since I came to this country. Americans let so much slip through their hands that it is sad to see. As long as we allow ourselves to continue this path we will be like Great Britian. The biggest complainers I know all drive foreign cars and shop Walmart and don't think about it's impact on the economy. They tell me "Oh it's made in America" yes, it's like having a donut when you need a meal. When all the profits go out of our country how can we reinvest in America. When are losing all our manafacturing base without this basic tool we can not teach our children we can not inprove our station in life . America has some of the stupidest children in the world. We worry more about offending someone than why can't Johnny read. Companies ask me for donations to help heat someone home while they make record profits and send their customer service work to India. When a countries like Japan and China can dictate policey to the USA and buy our goverment bonds to float our economy it's time to wake up. I know people who were born here who DO NOT VOTE!! What a gift to throw away....Wake up people!!!

01/24/2008 12:46 PM by Angelo J D'Agostino (The Michigan Group 6870 Grand River Brighton Mi 48114)


Scott, Nice post.  Well thought out with some very thought provoking topics!

01/24/2008 12:49 PM by Katie Evans (RE/MAX Preferred Realty)


 

 Scott-

Only 25 comments here?

Wow.

Everyone must be making lists of stuff to buy with that planned $600 rebate.

Gerat post-I have to go change my band aid!

Steve

 

01/24/2008 02:04 PM by Obeoman Steven Stearns (www.obeo.com)


Angelo, its always wonderful to hear from a citizen who was NOT born in America, to see it through your eyes should shame us all!!!  You are right on We The Peoplehave let this happen by being lulled to sleep having everything, we do not shop at Wal-Mart for a number of reasons, but first and foremost is their Mission Statement, everyone should read it especially small business owners.  Plus the Chinese goods!!  When did we look the other way while toys painted with LEAD got imported into our country and SOLD!!

Wow!! Angelo I hope you open eyes, thank you for your response.

01/24/2008 02:56 PM by Cathy & Gary Elmore (John L. Scott - Ocean Shores)


I will say this I would rather have a band aid to stop the bleeding than bleed to death. I do not agree with your idea that the economy will fix itself it never has and never will. The govenment controls everything we do and the proposals they are suggesting will fix some problems but obviously not all. The main thing they are going to fix is peoples mentality. The media pumps so much negative news to everyone it is finally a great relief to hear something positive. The government controls our minds and by changing peoples mindset about the economy and the state of the housing market it will help us get out of this mess.

Interest rates reductions will entice people to refi not necesarrily to cash out but just rate and term. Smart people dont use their homes as an ATM and not everyone falls into this category. If you have a loan at 6.5% and now you can get one at 5.5% its a no brainer to refi and save money on your monthly payment. This will stimulate the economy and give the mortgage and Real Estate industry a much needed boost.

As a Real Estate Agent I welcome any help for our clients and people who might be losing their homes. Saving homes is the priority and by not having all the foreclosures hit at once it will soften the blow to the housing industry. 

Tax rebates are great they give people some extra spending money. With that money they go out and spend it which provides sales tax dollars, revenue, and jobs. Who cares what people spend the money on its all mental. Everyone goes crazy just becuase they get a little extra check in the mail. Its all mental dont forget it.

Nice post but I have to disagree with your lets wait and see what happens approach. We waited last year and now look at the mess the whole country is in.

 

01/24/2008 06:13 PM by Adrian ALVARADO VICTORVILLE REAL ESTATE (Citywide Realty Alliance)


I think the problem is that no one really wants to face up to all the problems head on.  I read Donald Trumps and Robert Kiyosakis book "Why we want you to be rich."  It talks about all these problems and more.  We are either a solution to the problem or adding to the problem.

01/24/2008 07:56 PM by Bronson Barber (Utah Select Realty)


I too was wondering why in the world B of A would want to buy Countrywide.  Yup, we're in trouble.  

01/24/2008 11:24 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Appraiser (Sky Enterprises)


I'm also a bit troubled by the apparent knee-jerkiness of the recent rate cut. It appears we're looking at the world markets with a little bit of a twitch reflex.

01/26/2008 01:12 AM by Chuck Willman, Arizona RealtorĀ®, ABR, TRC (Gentry Realty & Investments)


Great points for the most part. The sky however is not falling. The "stimulus package" which I like to call the "simulus package" is a joke. Obviously another way for BOTH parties to run for cover so they at election time can say look what we did for you America!

Obama who I like is offering nothing but wants to increase social security tax and turn this into another typical class warfare election. Very tiring. McCain who I like on the other-hand doesn't believe we should secure our borders and didn't vote for permanent tax cuts.

IF YOU THINK WE DON'T PAY ENOUGH TAXES THEN SEND A FRIGGIN' CHECK IN YOURSELF BUT DON'T INCLUDE ME. (Bag the war argument for a moment) and look at the money pissed away all over the world and right here in our back yard. If you want to get frustrated just look at your phone bill and all the taxes and then look outside your home to see what you have to show for it. Don't forget to use the multiplier since you are not the only one getting taxed!

The idea of government "fixing" anything is a joke as pointed out by Scott so succinctly. I disagree on some points regarding the FED and their efforts and frankly or ironically the weak dollar to this point has been a benefit to a measured degree.

The punch line to my response is simple. IF you think voting for a person because they have a "D" or an "R" next to their name because you are a hard core D or R then PLEASE don't vote. You are idiots. PLEASE think for yourself, don't regurgitate what you hear and do a little homework (it is not that hard and you can do it easily) and be sure you understand the motivation of the source that provides you information and the money behind them.

End of lecture. GREAT POST.

02/16/2008 10:27 AM by Kirk Williams, #LMA 510-LO-32537 (Mortgage Advisory Group)


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