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Do Flippers Live by a Different Standard?

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Mortgage and Lending with Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 NMLS # 6869

“Do Flippers Live by a Different Standard?”

 

I personally don’t understand some of the rules about houses that were purchased to be renovated and resold. Here is what doesn’t make sense to me. If the home has been renovated, has a deposit from a qualified buyer, had a home inspection and an appraisal or in some cases two appraisals, then what difference does it make how much profit the house flipper makes or in how many days?

 home renovations

I am doing a mortgage for a client, buying a home that is being flipped. The lender has asked for a list of all the renovations that was done, how much was spent for these renovations and how much profit is being made. We asked the underwriter, why this was being asked for and were told, “we just want to know”. Also, that if we don’t get the information, we’ll deny the loan. OK, deny the loan based on what guidelines?

 

The two Realtors, the seller and buyer have every right to be upset. We moved the loan to a different lender, already have an approval, but have been delayed by almost 3 weeks. We filed a complaint against the underwriter, but I’m not convinced it will make any difference. Some of the regulations and restrictions have gotten totally out of hand.

 

 

The Flipping Rules

By: Bliss Sawyer

I've been hearing an ad on the radio that has me concerned: "Zero down. Buy a home and make $5,000-$15,000 in 30 days. Get in, get out, get rich."

You would have thought we learned a lesson over the past year, so I am assuming this is a get rich quick scheme that will leave people with less money and no house.

We definitely are seeing values increase in our area pretty quickly and this type of advertising is very bad for our industry. The ad also states they can do this without the help of a Realtor. Another scary thing.

Because of this, we took the opportunity this morning at a Realtor sales meeting to cook a pancake breakfast and do a little training on flipping rules. I picked up pancake mix and spatulas at the dollar store to go with our handout.

This was a great hit with all the agents and the broker. No Realtor wants to start a deal and have it not close because of loan rules they or their buyers did not know about.

Here is the content of our flyer. We realized after the fact that we did not mention that properties owned by federally chartered institutions (FHA, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, banks, credit unions) are exempt so I sent an email out after with this info.

Flipping Rules

Under 90 Days No financing available for FHA, FNMA, FHLMC.

Except under Temporary guidelines, financing may be available as long as the home does not increase over 20% of acquisition cost. 2nd appraisals may be required. It is possible to go over 20% per: underwriter discretions. (This is a rare occurrence)

91 days to 180 days Financing available for FHA FNMA, FHLMC.

Things to watch out for:

Sales price is increased by over 20%. “2nd appraisal may be required ” Underwriters Discretion on strength of appraisal.

180 days to 360 days financing available for FHA, FNMA, FHLMC.

Underwriters Discretion on strength of appraisal.

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Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Good morning Joe,

Thank you for posting a pet peeve of mine...the reason it matters to the Governement is they are against "big, bad capitalism".  How dare anyone have the means to make a profit, when someone else doesn't.  They would rather a house sit and rot to its foundation.  Tuesday, take use away!

Nov 04, 2012 08:21 PM
Frank Laisch
Orlando, FL
"The Insurance Guy"

We have seen a lot of flippers over the past 2 years. buying, repairing them and flipping them, in some cases for good income. It reminds me of right before the bubble when people were trying to buy and flip home. many got stuck in the end when the music stopped.

Nov 04, 2012 08:21 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Joe,

This is ridiculous!! Who gave all the power to the underwriters.."at their discretion"..who made them the final authority! We are seeing more and more absurd questions being asked from underwriters..things that should have no significance on the loan process.

Nov 04, 2012 08:23 PM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living
Hi Joe, My take on this is that they are doing this 1. Because they can and 2. Under the disguise of "concern" that properties are being sold "over valued". I can somewhat understand a waiting period but to require a seller to provide all this information about renovations that are not already observable by an appraiser, seems overreaching.
Nov 04, 2012 08:44 PM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

This is way too much power over the real estate industry.  If someone purchases a home for 40-50% of market value due to its condition and repairs the foundation, puts on a roof, replaces the kitchen and baths, and landscapes the yard, they will be way above 20% of the purchase price in repair and remodeling costs. This appears to be an attempt to suppress the market, or penalize those who remodel homes, for some reason.

Nov 04, 2012 08:54 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Joe, I have been asked this type thing before but when it was furnished they asked for something else and something else to drag it out. I agree what difference does it make? I think it is just padding the underwriter's file.

Nov 04, 2012 09:31 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Joe, is this another unintended consequence of Dodd-Frank? Underwriter who doesn't want to be responsible later for not investigating this? I have seen houses with 100% sales price over what they paid. Like Sharon said above, when you do that much work, it is going to be significantly higher than 20%. It's really none of the underwriter's business but may be one of those 'gray'' areas that certain personality types can't gloss over.

Sharon

Nov 04, 2012 11:02 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Joe, unfortunately that is more the standard than not.  Lender are being overly cautious because of all the buy backs.

Nov 05, 2012 09:21 AM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Joe.  I just bought a fannie mae home.  I can't sell it for more than $3800. than I paid for it for 90 days.  Dumb, dumb, dumb!

Nov 05, 2012 07:50 PM
Charles Stallions
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pensacola, FL
850-476-4494 - Pensacola, Pace or Gulf Breeze, Fl.

Welcome to America where as much as we like to thank we are free WE ARE NOT. We like to think we protect each other by allowing these rules, no profit, so raising the interest rate on low score buyers, ARMs are bad, the reality is no one uses common sense. If you take risk you should profit if and when you can. If you don't want to take risk and some banks don't then loan to low risk borrowers.

I buy and flip a lot I hold most of my own mortgages, I use investor money as needed. I have loaned to folks that would be renters for life and 100% of there money would go to no equity, so that investor make 100% interest or the tenant pays 100% interest.

So here I come that tenant buys a home with a credit score of 440, I sell them a home at 95k that would rent for 800 a month or they can purchase and have a payment of 700. at 10% interest with 1k per year in rebates when they refinance, sell or pay the home off. This is a hypothetical and not one that I have actually done but close. I get what I call a glorified tenant but I have the potential of making 40k on the home plus interest. The value will go up!!! and the tenant will own.

Nov 06, 2012 09:15 PM
Elva C. Benjamin
RE/MAX of Gettysburg - Gettysburg, PA
REALTOR, ABR, CDPE, SRES

Interesting comments.  Glad to know that others think about the underwriters like I do.  Sometimes I think they are clueless.  ....or insecure...so fraid to make a decision and let the market work as it should.  It does take risk and diligence to flip successfully.  I think flippers are in a league of their own.    

Nov 06, 2012 11:36 PM