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Early in my career I worked for a real estate attorney. There was a real estate buyer named Lisa I was working with whom I will never forget.  She was a single mom and was looking to make her first real estate purchase with her mother.  

The road to approval

Lisa's desire to move to a better neighborhood and become a homeowner was strong. Her employment history was solid, but her credit was spotty.  She needed her mother as a co-signer because she hadn't been in her current position for that long, and the income from her previous positions was significantly lower than her current position.  Her mother's income wasn't high and she too had credit "issues". Needless to say, the ride to loan approval was a rocky one.

When I received Lisa's loan approval letter on the fax, it came back with at least 5-10 conditions that needed to be satisfied prior to closing.  I worked with Lisa to make sure she got together the documentation that her lender needed and to communicate the details of what the lender needed to Lisa to make sure what she had would satisfy the conditions listed.  

Once we sent the documentation to Lisa's lender and the loan came out of underwriting, it was, again another list of about 5 or so conditions.  So we went through the process of gathering together documentation, sometimes needing to find substitutes that would meet the approval of the lender after checking with them to make sure they would take something different, than off to underwriting again.  

This process happened no less than three times, and we had to request at least three different extension's of the financing contingency AND the closing date from the Seller and the seller's attorney.

Are we done yet? 

In the end, the loan ended up closing.  It was several weeks after the original date on the contract, and many candle burning hours spent with Lisa and her mother trying to speed up the process and at the same time, juggling a discontented listing agent, seller's attorney, title company, and seller.  But it did close, and Lisa, her mom, and her 2 year old son moved into a better neighborhood. 

I assumed this move would be it for awhile.  Lisa and her mom would enjoy homeownership, dig some roots, and start to build some equity in their house.  So I was shocked, and so was the rest of the law office where I worked, when another contract came across the fax nearly 5 months later for Lisa and her mom to buy another house, contingent upon the sale of the house they nearly didn't close on 5 months ago.

We accepted the contract at the law office.  When I spoke with Lisa, she said she really wanted to upgrade to this house, it had a brick exterior which she much preferred.  She had also just been promoted, so felt that this would be an affordable move for her.   I was skeptical.

     Our customers need to keep it real and so do we

You can imagine that problems occurred almost from the start with the lender.  Lisa had just received the promotion, so her salary history wasn't reflective of the higher amount.  She hadn't incurred much debt since the time of her last loan, but some as I recall.  And then there was the issue that her house had to sell before she could buy this one. 

When the problems started to creep up on this file and it seemed as if they would continue and it was a no win situation, we had to have a consult with the client.  She ended up agreeing, reluctantly, that maybe this wasn't the best time for her to upgrade.

So what was my lesson learned?  Actually there were three.

The first was the fact that Lisa is human, and human nature can take the side of greed.  Lisa achieved one goal and she wanted to aim higher, now.  Nothing wrong with that, she just didn't have the means to get there at that time. 

Second, we should have backed out of representation in the second contract.  Many law offices don't get paid until closing either, the one I worked for was one of those law offices.  We had already lost money on the first deal just in the hours spent alone. 

Third, maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard on the first deal.  If it took three times in underwriting to close the loan, maybe it wasn't meant to be at that time.

I wonder what position Lisa and her mom are in now.  Did they end up staying in their house?  Did they refinance or get any home equity lines of credit?  Did they upgrade to a new house? Their deal closed 10 years ago and I wonder where they stand in this current real estate climate. 

I hope their roots are solid and strong.

 


 

 
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46 Comments on When greed overrules common sense....one real estate story

JAN
27
2008
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Wow, that was a very good story and it makes you stop and think about what we are all doing, and the gray area of ethics that we all face in business, any business. You are wise well beyond your years, keep using that brain of yours, we need more like you in the industry. Lance
11:34pm • #1
JAN
30
2008
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Rebecca, Thank you for sharing this story.  My Sellers are regretting the buyer that got away, who had bad credit but made an offer on their home too good to be true.  I will relay this story to them.
5:20pm • #2
JAN
31
2008
173,150 Points 43 Featured Posts

Lance- Thank you for your generous words.  Every day we work in this industry, helping people reach buyers and sellers, or servicing buyers and sellers, we all need to perform at the top of our game and the ethics do play a part of that game.  You can sell with integrity.

Gail-Sometimes it is too good to be true.  We all want the sale, we all want to gain and believe that it is in everyone's best interest, but sometimes, the best deal is the one we walk away from. 

 

10:37pm • #3
FEB
13
2008
121,054 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rebecca, Lisa is the one who should have learned those lessons. Too bad you can't follow up with her.

Bill Roberts

5:24pm • #4
FEB
15
2008
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Thank you for such a well written and true to life story. 
8:12am • #5
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Rebecca

A great story to share with others....I hope that it makes them think as it did to me.

I had to choose this as one of my top 5 when I was judging for the contest.

:)

1:15pm • #6
Thanks for sharing your story. For the love of money is the root of all evil.
1:16pm • #7
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Great lesson and one of the reasons sub-primes loans were such a problem...buyers got in over their heads because they DID get a loan they shouldn't have.  This woman was very lucky!
1:19pm • #8
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Hi Rebecca. Ten years is a long time to hang on to that story. It must have made quite an impression with you. It's the clients' choice. You did the best you could for her. Be proud you got her into a house. She could be very successful now because of your efforts.
3:15pm • #9
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Bill- I do wish that I could see what she is up to now.  I hope there is much to be learned from the past 10-12 year ride we just had in real estate.  I certainly don't want real estate buyers and sellers to be timid, just educated about the decisions they make as best for their specific interests and needs.

Natalie- I am sure there are so many stories out there.  I actually had written a success story on my corporate blog about a home seller in California who sold her house, competing against many foreclosures and purchased a house in this market that she would've been priced out of if she had rode the market out.  There are stories like that too.   

Bill- I am honored and ecstatic to be in the top 5.  This was such an emotional story for me.  Even though it was business, somehow with real estate you can't help but feel sometimes:-)  I guess in the end we have to watch our feelings so that we can help buyers and sellers make the best decisions for their situations.  Just like an attorney, you have to try and separate yourself. 

Steven-Isn't that the truth.

Diane- She was lucky to get in the first house, but I think because it was commonplace for others at the time, it became more of a standard norm.  It was the reality.

Wayne- Thank you Wayne, I do hope that is the case. 

3:51pm • #10
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Rebecca...

I very much enjoyed this.

Your point about greed is well taken and I like seeing stuff like this on the dash board.

Good for you :)

TLW...ROAR!

4:27pm • #11
Rebecca, this is a great story.  Thanks for sharing.
5:03pm • #12
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You went the distance and then some. From the story it seems like she appreciated everything you did for her but she was trying to see if the impossible could be done again.. Glad to see you "walked" away from it. Too much headache there.
5:22pm • #13
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TLW- THank you for your kind words.  When the posts come from life experience, they just feel right.  Gosh knows in real estate there are more than everyone's share of life experiences.

Dustin- Thank you for reading.

Robert- Hard lesson to learn, to walk away.  Still have to remind myself from time to time.:-) 

5:46pm • #14
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I would think if they did manage to keep the home ten years, they made out well. Great story.
6:22pm • #15
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Great share, thanks :)
6:40pm • #16
You're right. Sometimes as agents we try to satisfy everyones needs and wants that we forget sometimes their best interest is to wait.   
6:53pm • #17
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Michael and Audrey- Thank you for visiting and reading my story.

Candice- It's hard, it's such a people business.  But it is business first. 

7:01pm • #18
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Rebecca, Isnt' it amazing how quickly people can change their minds as to what they want.  I was contacted today by a client who bought a year ago.  She was wondering if I would be able to sell her house as she wants to move back closer to her family.  They are maybe 30 to 45 minutes away.  I ran some comparatives and had to break the news that she would probably need to stay in for a few years as she bought with 100% financing and she would be upside down when she factored in closing cost.
9:53pm • #19
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Congratulations on getting this one selected in the features contest. We got one too, and we're honored to be in such good company.

cheers 

10:53pm • #20
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First... I hate the word greed.  Seldom can it be quantified.  Usually, it take a lot more definitions to even get close to figuring out what the user means. 

I actually was a buyer like that.  My first wife and I were buying our first house.  The mortgage broker kept coming back asking for more and more and more.  Closing was delayed 3 months.  The seller was understanding and patient.  

I got tired of it... and pulled the file.  The file was 600 pages.  I sent it to another lender that had us closed in 20 days.  He couldn't understand what the other broker was trying to accomplish with the paper trail.  Gotta love it. 

However, we kept it 9 years.  Ex-wife made 30% plus on it...   

11:14pm • #21
FEB
16
2008
101,898 Points

Hey Rebecca,

Great story, why don't you check the tax record to see if she still owns it? I would, I am curious that way!

 

2:00am • #22
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Looks like they didn't realize how lucky they were to get the first house.  You probably did such an awesome job that they thought it would be easier.  <g> 

Those were good lessons learned. 

3:46am • #23
Great post---The mantra should be--"Repeat after me, DO THE RIGHT THING ALWAYS"
7:33am • #24
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I had one buyer like this, but they knew what they were doing.  Bought and sold three times in two years - making money at each step.  They went from a one BR coop to a 4 BR house in that time. Each step was planned in this case and they really bought things that most people would have run away from...
8:05am • #25
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Rebeca,

I agree with everything you said except number three.   The part about mayby not working so hard.  In, my oppinion one can never work hard enough.  You can't place a value on making someone's "American Dream" come true.  Especially when your in the service industry.  Because of your hard work, perhaps even without knowning that buyer might have realized the effort it took to get her and her mom in that house and sent you referals, becasue of your hard work.  Again, I can't stress it enough, one can never work too hard.  I have work many difficult deals, like the one you stated and one particualr comes to mind where as a result of my hard work I have receievd aproximately 7 additional deals as a direct result of that hard work.  Best too you.

9:20am • #26
100,690 Points
IF I got paid by the hour, I'd be rich!!! Some deals take less time but if we turned away people just because we were going to have to work harder then half the country wouldn't be homeowners. The harder the deal, the more I deserve the check at the end of the day. I like feeling like I earned my paycheck.
10:23am • #27
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It's easy to get caught up in everything. When you get something that you weren't sure you'd get, then you suddenly get an increase in salary. It makes you wonder what else you could get. 
10:49am • #28
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There are always people who are driven by the almighty dollar. It is those that will do the right thing that eventually come out ahead. It is rare that you see someone turn something down for their convictions when it involves a handsome payday.
11:54am • #29
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Lots of stories like that come to mind...you wonder if the people you squeeze into homes really should be in that predicament in the first place.
2:16pm • #30
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Good story with some great lessons learned on all sides. I think the third lesson should be more about your persistence and hard work paying off for the client. It stinks your firm didn't cover their expenses in the end though. I agree with Lawrence's comment above in that oftentimes clients recognize your hard work and, though you may not be rewarded immediately, your true payoff comes in the form of referrals and positive word of mouth about you and your business.
4:07pm • #31
104,168 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog
We all need to realize that the customer is NOT always right. Sometimes customers need to be shown the light and shown the door.
7:10pm • #32

What a great story. Thanks so much for sharing. I must admit, I too have felt the greed of wanting to move up to a "bigger/better" house before we were ready. Luckily, I have a husband who's feet are planted firmly on the ground and he talked me out of it. Now we're in a house we can easily afford and we hope to be mortgage free by the time I'm 35. Then, we hope to climb up a couple rungs on the property ladder, all the while keeping our mortgage at a manageable level. Thanks again!

8:00pm • #33
FEB
17
2008
Great story.  Thank you for sharing. 
11:32am • #34
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Marchel- Difficult, but good that you gave an honest assessment.

Gary- Thank you and likewise:-)

Lane- Greed can come in many shapes and sizes.  You can be greedy or make a greedy decision, both different in scope and nature.  That being said, thank you for sharing your story.  It sounds like your transaction was a more sound deal than the real estate buyers in my story.  Sometimes transactions are difficult for no goo reason other than lack of experience.

Laurie- That is a great idea, unfortunately, I don't have access to that file any longer.  I am curious by nature as well.

Chrystina- Thank you.  I am always learning, whether intentional or not:-)

Diane- You got it.

Ruthmarie- Sounds like you had some smart cookies. What great repeat business:-)

Lawrence,Cheri, and Rich- I have probably had deals that have demanded just as much time.  I guess on this one it was more about the nature of the deal.  Plus, I am trying to adopt a work smarter not harder attitude.  Again- trying.

Christy and Bill- This is true.  Pay increases are good, doing the right thing and getting paid to do it are even better, doing the right thing and paying your self is the best.

Team DiMura- Each customer is different, so it probably is a matter of assessing each situation and treating it individually.

Rosario- I think it was AT&T who laid off hundreds of their cell phone customers who were taking up too much time and costing them money.

Paula- Thank you for sharing your story.  Sounds like you are well grounded with roots.

Tina- Thank you for reading my post. 

 

 

 

9:51pm • #35
APR
07
2008
2 Featured Posts
Interesting story.  Too bad Lisa didn't send you all kinds of referrals for the hard work that you did for her.
1:16pm • #36
APR
17
2008
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Great example....super lesson...........both to look within ourselves to keep evaluating our own motivation..........to be straightforward and upfront with our clients....to learn the lessons.....and tell the stories.........and to have compassion....and understand for peoples weaknesses and strengths..:-)

Love your purple backdrop.........for dramatic.....!

12:32am • #37
DEC
27
2008
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Hi Rebecca, Wow. Great life lessons story. I try to consult with clients, especially if it (quick move to yet another house) is really not in their best interests.

10:07pm • #38
DEC
28
2008
173,150 Points 43 Featured Posts

Marian- I remember this was a very emotional post for me to write.  It brought me back in time and to this day really has taught me a lesson about helping consumers and about making choices that aren't easy, especially when money on the table is involved.  AND I remember these consumers and like I said, I wonder if they are in their house today.

 

12:18pm • #39
JAN
20
2009

Marian~This is a great post! And one that we are all guilty of. We have all struggled to make loans work, gotten co-signers, gift letters you name it. You are so right maybe it was too soon. I think with the current housing market we are correcting a lot of that. Gone are the days of hard work making a loan close. Thanks for the post.

 

8:52pm • #40
JAN
21
2009
173,150 Points 43 Featured Posts

You are welcome.  Yes it is hard to know when to walk away.  Homeownership is such a personal transaction.

9:31am • #41
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Rebecca - You're right... This is a great post, thanks for the link - I missed it the first time around.

11:26am • #42

Great strory but I would disagree that just because underwriting keeps spitting out new conditions that it isn't ment to be.  This is normal for underwriting to re-issue additional conditions...this is done to protect themselves.  As you can see, the last 4-5 years lenders did not do a good job of 'protecting' themsleves and let poorly underwrtin files through the door due to greed.  If we let the dificulty of geting a loan through underwriting be the determining factor if the transaction should be done then there would be a lot less homeowners in this world.

1:20pm • #43

I liked this post too. Sometimes we have to learn these hard lessons. I know I have had similar experiences.

2:28pm • #44
JAN
22
2009
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Rebecca, What a great post!  Thanks for linking to it in your current one.

4:20am • #45
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16
2010
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Rebecca, this was a great story, but sadly it is representative of the problems we still face today.

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