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I have to pay a deposit plus rent if I'm still here after we close?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with KD Realty - 408.972.1822 CA DRE#01366594

I have to pay a deposit plus rent if I'm still here after we close?

In a word, YES.

Mr. & Mrs. Seller: Once we close escrow you will no longer be the legal title holders. In other words, you and your lender will no longer own the house. The buyer becomes the new owner once the transaction funds and the deed records.

Let’s put this in perspective. We received approval on the San Jose short sale in time to close before the end of the year when the debt forgiveness expires. This was our goal when we listed the property for sale. Closing in 2012 will save you from a substantial tax event which you may be required to pay if we do not close before the end of the year. It remains undetermined at this time if debt forgiveness will be extended.

While there are risks in asking the short sale lender for an extension of time to close I am confident that I can get an extension until the end of January. In doing so, we not only may risk losing debt forgiveness we also risk losing the buyer.

Before we approach an extension of time to close as an option, I highly recommend you revisit a conversation with a tax professional that will help you determine if it makes sense to pay rent to the new owner who has graciously allowed you the option to stay, or pay taxes on the amount of debt your lenders forgives.

The buyer, who becomes the new owner after the transaction closes, holds no obligation whatsoever to the former owners once the buyer becomes the legal title holder.

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The timing of short sale approvals is unpredictable. We received approval in the most desirable timeframe. The buyer has graciously extended you “free rent” until the end of the year which equates to approximately $700.00. The soon to be new owner has also agreed to rent to you at a rental rate $150.00 below fair market rent.

I understand that you are wait-listed on the one and only apartment complex you want to live in. It’s great that you found the perfect place to live. However, if the apartment complex does not have any openings and you need a place to live after escrow closes then you will need to pay rent to the new owner. You will also need to provide a fully refundable deposit. It's just the way the rental market works.

Don’t forget you will receive $3,000.00 for the HAFA short sale upon the close of escrow. This will undoubtedly help with upcoming moving expenses and security deposits.

I have to pay a deposit plus rent if I'm still here after we close? By Kathleen Daniels, San Jose short sale agent - San Jose homes for sale

 

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Comments(41)

Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Thanks for the  post. I will bookmark this and share with others.

Nov 26, 2012 08:14 PM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

I think short sales are so unpredictable sellers need to be ready to improvise!

Nov 26, 2012 08:15 PM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Kathleen, 

Love the way your shared this information.  Yes, you will have to pay rent, but look at the bigger picture- debt forgiveness.  Should be a no-brainer.

All the best, Michelle

Nov 26, 2012 09:49 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Kathleen, the new owner is giving them a great deal to stay until their apartment becomes available. Great response!

Nov 26, 2012 09:59 PM
Keith Lawrence
Christie's International - Mahwah, NJ
ABR, SFR

It does not sound like the seller is motivated to move.  The seller is luck that the bank has agreed to allow him to rent their house back.  Most lenders do not allow this in a short sale.  The seller is luck again that the buyer is willing to lease the property back to them at a reduced rate.

 

Good luck with this one

Nov 26, 2012 10:06 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

yes you do to the title of the post...I currently have a client that just purchased and has to evict the tenant in possession....The tenant feels they are entitled to everything....after living rent free for 18 months

Nov 26, 2012 10:22 PM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Kathleen, Great post, and this is true in Denver now too.   We were one of a few States left where the seller could remain in the property up to 3 days and not pay rent.   That changed this past January, and now have to have a Post-Closing agreement signed by all parties with utilities, rent, and deposit all addressed!

Nov 26, 2012 11:35 PM
Laura Filip
Laura Filip Broker , Opening doors for All Seasons of Life - Whitesboro, TX
What can we do for you today?

Thank you for sharing this is an awesome post with alot of great info Have a blessed day

Nov 27, 2012 12:23 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Kathy, This is a rare situation for me. Most sellers are out weeks before the close.

Kathy, There certainly does appear to be a right of entitlement that is not supported by law.

Lloyd, I no longer use PRDS forms. You pose a lot of great questions. All of which will be addressed in detail in the rent back agreement. 

Joy, It’s truly an interesting concept.  I wonder how they would feel if the shoe was on the other foot … so to speak. 

Doug, I personally do not know what it feels like to not have to pay. I count my blessings that I have the ability to manage finances and have not had to make the decision to short sale my home.

Brenda,You are right … many lenders to prohibit the former owner from renting back. Thankfully this lender does not.  It is also a short term solution to securing a place to rent.

Wayne, The heightened emotional state of the short sale process does seem to take its toll on most.  I believe the stress levels cause many to lose perspective.

Erica, Moments like what you are experiencing is what makes what we do so incredible. We get to be a part of a lot of good with people, as you say, with hearts of gold.

John, I am happy about getting the HAFA approved in such a short period of time. This beat my old record.  I remain hopeful that this transaction will end well. Sellers are under a lot of stress which we know does not bring out the best in us.

Christina, This could have turned out differently if the buyer were not an investor. I explained to the seller that the new owner holds no obligation to the previous owner and they could close and have them evicted by the Sherriff.

Jordon, I think this approval just came too quickly. Far sooner than any of us anticipated … including me. 

Gita, You are welcome. Thank you!

Gary, Good point. Short sales require that all parties be flexible. 

Michelle, In this case, if there is no debt forgiveness; the sellers would also end up filing bankruptcy.  Moving is the optimum solution here. Ultimately, it’s the sellers’ decision.

Michael, We are blessed to have such accommodating buyers/new owners. It’s a win/win/win/win situation which the sellers cannot see through their stress.

Keith, I agree. Lucky is what I say along with angels working on their behalf.  Once they get through this “rough patch” they will see how truly blessed they were.

Richie, “Possession is 9/10th of the law.”  The other is handled through the legal channels … also known as eviction which can be costly.  It’s unfortunate but these things do happen.

Joan, I’m still holding out for another miracle. I’m hoping a unit becomes available where they want to live and they will only need a few days.  I know the sellers just want this behind them. The stress is not good for them … or anyone for that matter.

Nov 27, 2012 12:48 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Laura, You are welcome. Thanks for stopping by.

Nov 27, 2012 12:48 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

These trying times always create such interesting situations. Everybody tries for the best and hopes it works out.

Nov 27, 2012 12:52 AM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

Sometimes folks are way more concerned about themselves, and give little thought to how a situation may affect others.  These sellers are very lucky to have a buyer who is willing to give them some time.

Nov 27, 2012 01:41 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Bill, That is all we can do.  All the planning may not get us what we ideally want. At the end of the day when it is time to move ... it's time to get moving. 

Susan, I agree. I hope they will see that when the dust settles.

Nov 27, 2012 03:09 AM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

You bring up good points. There is so much misunderstanding in regard to these matters. Often, this sort of lack of information is what got the sellers into hot water regarding their mortgage in the first place.

Nov 27, 2012 06:50 AM
Hella Mitschke Rothwell
(831) 626-4000 - Honolulu, HI
Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker

Kathleen: My "Affidavit of "Arms Length Transaction" with Chase on a short sale that I completed earlier this year included this statement:

"There is no agreement, whether oral, written, or implied between the Seller and the Buyer and/or their respective agents that would allow the Seller to remain on the Property as TENANT or regain ownership of the property at any time after the consummation of this sales transaction."

I am sure you must have other circumstances that allow the seller to stay.

Nov 27, 2012 06:53 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Although Seller leasebacks are becoming more common, it seems that Sellers frequently have difficulty understanding the leaseback from the Buyer's perspective.  The leaseback can be an act of kindness on the part of the Buyer.  It is also a liability for the Buyer. The referenced transaction is definitely an example of the great value of a Seller leaseback.

Nov 27, 2012 11:36 AM
Mike Cooper, Broker VA,WV
Cornerstone Business Group Inc - Winchester, VA
Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro

Kathleen, now that is something to take into consideration for buyers in this situation.  I haven't had that happen, but it's nice to be reminded of the possibility. 

Nov 27, 2012 10:39 PM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Kathleen, this scenario is the same regardless of if the sellers were in a short sale or just a conventional sale. When they occupy the home after close of escrow, the new owner has a right to compensation in the form of rent for allowing the former occupants to stay for a determined period of time. In short, no one can live for free, anywhere, unless they go back home to Mom's place, and even Mom is getting smarter.

Dec 02, 2012 12:07 AM
The Villages Realty
The Villages Realty - San Jose, CA
"Our Performance Will Move You!"

Always good information that San Jose Realtor Kathleen Daniels shares.  Good stuff.     

Dec 24, 2016 07:31 PM
Eagle Ridge Realty
Eagle Ridge Realty - Gilroy, CA
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Good information that you post, as always.  Glad to be reading the stuff you write.

Dec 25, 2016 07:09 PM