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Neighborhood Bully – Is Disclosure Needed?

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with Wendy Smith Real Estate

Realtors are typically diligent when it comes to making sure we have full property disclosure from our sellers.   The days of “Buyer Beware” are long gone and have been replaced with full disclosure.  Each state has its own laws regarding disclosures so the forms vary state to state.  Basically, any material fact that would affect the buyer’s decision to buy or influence the price and terms of an offer must be disclosed.   The form approved by the Florida Association of Realtors consists of five pages with additional disclosures to cover disclosure of mold, sink holes, etc.

 I’ve always felt we pretty much have a form to disclose

most any material fact that can possibly arise,

except one:  the neighborhood bully.

Consider this situation …

Earlier this year a single mother with two young children purchased the home next door to mine. For the sake of this story, let’s just refer to her as Karen. 

Well, unbeknownst to Karen, directly across the street from her new home lived the most dreaded of all neighbors – the neighborhood bully!  As it happens Karen had no idea that the bully was a contributing fact in the previous owner’s decision to sell. 

The previous seller, let’s call her Linda, was tormented by the bully across the street for years. The bully neighbor is malicious and Neighborhood Bullywould frequently yell obscenities at Linda, use binoculars to peer inside her windows, send hateful mail to her, and reported Linda to Animal Control as a “neglectful dog owner”. 

Linda lived in distress and was scared to defend herself or stand up to the bully for the fear of increased attacks and retaliation.  Linda became more vulnerable, the bully more aggressive.   As the situation worsened, Linda gave up and decided to sell the house.

Initially, the bully did not bother the new owner Karen.  But not long after Karen and her children settled in, the bully again showed her ugliness.  The bully turned her rage and venom on the newest victim.  The bully once again began yelling the obscenities at Karen with no regard for the presence of the young children. In fact, the insults were defamatory and the yelling frightened the kids. The bully would yell things such as “you are a bad mother” or “your mother is trash”. At times the yelling is so out-of-control that the children are not able to play in their yard.    

With the help of a few neighbors, the bullying is somewhat muted for the time being but who knows when the bully will snap and embark on another tirade.

A few weeks ago, Karen approached me about the selling the house.  She is weary of having to deal with a bully and wished she had known about the bully before she bought the property.

Should the presence of a bully be

disclosed in the property disclosure?

While many readers may think, “oh I can handle a bully” yet how many people would be willing to purchase a home knowing the neighborhood turmoil likely to be faced on a daily basis?   Isn’t the presence of a neighborhood bully a material fact when the Right to Quiet Enjoyment is threatened?

Perhaps Karen would have purchased the house with full knowledge of the bully across the street but I honestly don’t think so.  

And if Karen wants me to list the house, well, I don’t know….should the bully be disclosed?

 


 

 

Posted by

Counting Blessings & Serving My Community,

Wendy Smith

 

 
Juli Vosmik
Dominion Fine Properties - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale/Cave Creek, AZ real estate 480-710-0739

Interesting blog and feedback, however, I think it's a non-disclosure issue by real estate "laws".  We don't have to disclose the previous owners committed suicide in the house, the crime in the area and a few other things which I think we should disclose if we know.  But an obnoxious neighbor?  Well, that probably falls in line with the "opinion" part of disclosure and disclosure is about material fact.  Can't wait to read more comment.  

And, I do agree with so many - when in doubt, ask for advice from the legal people.  

Dec 08, 2012 12:13 PM
Nan Jester
Exit Real Estate Gallery Jacksonville Beach, FL - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Realtor, Exit Real Estate Gallery

Dang, that is a really good question. My brother lived once in a similar situation. Not sure you would disclose unless asked.

Dec 08, 2012 12:36 PM
Joel Weihe
Realty World Alliance - Wichita, KS
Helping you to use your VA home loan benefits

Disclosure is a huge thing in real estae as we all know but more importantly than that is serving your client. It's not just about makeing a buck but making someone happy. If you know of any adverse conditions it is at the very least your moral right to inform your buyer.

Dec 08, 2012 12:40 PM
Vanessa Hellmig

I'm new to blogging.  For some reason, I can't find out how to "like" Joel Weihe's comment.  But I like it!!

May 05, 2019 05:33 PM
Chuck Mixon
The Keyes Company - Cutler Bay, FL
Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR

This is one of the sticky questions that causes more problems  to solve one.  First off if in doubt DISCLOSE.  The second issue is will the disclosure cause any problems ie. legal issues  down the road?  As for the agent they should be protected since the disclosure is filled out by the Seller and should never be filled out by the agent, I repeat Never!

As to how to disclose a troublesome neighbor, without crossing the line. I say document what is fact that you can back up, and avoid hear say and for sure leave out feels. Copies of police reports, and any other complaints can be covered. Things that are so old that documentation is gone should be forgotten.

I feel that all the neighbors put a concerted effort  on to make the Bad neighbor feel unwelcome in the neighborhood, and hope the she pack her bags and leave.  Before house values go down too much.

Oh almost forgot.  Hope that when the bad neighbor moves she does not move anywhere near where Linda or Karen Moved.  Also send Karen and Linda a card welcoming them back since the trouble is gone.

Dec 08, 2012 01:08 PM
Dr. Paula McDonald
Beam & Branch Realty - Granbury, TX
Granbury, TX 936-203-0279
A really tough situation for sure. Sad and unfortunate. Sounds like a legal issue.
Dec 08, 2012 02:07 PM
Christina Sanchez Hood
Palo Alto, CA
#SiliconValleyHOODS | Inspired Living

Wendy, really good question and even better comments.  It is something that I think I will need to ponder.  I can see both sides.  My gut thihks that If I lived in the same neighborhood, it would seem to be material fact, if indeed I knew about the situation, and therefore should be disclosed.  However, this could prove to be a very sensative topic, so I think I would need to consult with my broker and legal advisor.  Thanks for the good post!  

Dec 08, 2012 02:40 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

Seller should disclosure if not, I'd disclosure with reference to what i heard from the homeowner or neighbors, so it is not your opinion or judgment by the previous owner bad experience. I don't believe that such fact should be kept out of TDS or AVID.

Dec 08, 2012 02:54 PM
Les & Sarah Oswald
Realty One Group - Eastvale, CA
Broker, Realtor and Investor

Yes, there should be full disclosure about material and physical defects in the property that could affect the use and value of the property. There are some things, but I have not heard of too many, non-physical things that affect the value of the property that need to be disclosed. I do think you need to disclose the fact that you have been bullied since people have moved out already because of it, but not what is your opinion of your neighborhood or neighbors, or if the dogs bark at 3am every morning. It seems to me that all these things about the bully can be remedied by local code enforement. If the bully is breaking any local ordinance a complaint should be filed and she can and should be fined and then I would think that she will stop. Not sure if dislosing that local code enforcement has not been happening with you would be in the best interest of the seller and I don't think would be required but you do need to disclose the things that affect the value of the property, including this. This is my opinion.... Would like to hear what the outcome on this one is!

Dec 08, 2012 03:50 PM
Dan Tabit
Keller Williams Bellevue - Sammamish, WA

I can envision that if the bully got wind of a written notice that they were a bully, a lawsuit could appear.  You or the seller may win the suit in the end, but not until costing you lots of grief and legal fees. 

I encourage my buyers to meet with neighbors during the inspection period.  If a neighbor tells them, it’s not in writing and they can judge for themselves.  If they meet the bully, they may feel they can deal with it or move on.

 

Dec 08, 2012 04:05 PM
Pat Mistretta
PalmerHouse Properties & Associates - Atlanta, GA
Atlanta Lofts and City Living

It's an interesting situation, and a very sad situation.  I am not sure how I would handle it, but I think what I would first do, is ask one of the real estate attorneys that I often close with and get his or her opinion.

Dec 08, 2012 07:33 PM
Richard Burge Realty/ Burge Homes
Richard Burge Realty/Burge Homes - Conway, SC
Broker in Charge/Owner

Growing up I had a neighborhood bully but he was a mean dog.  Scared me everytime I went by the home. 

Dec 08, 2012 08:22 PM
Wayne Zuhl
Remax First Realty II - Cranford, NJ
The Last Name You'll Ever Need in Real Estate

Good morning Wendy - Very interesting question and I'm curious to read all of the comments. My instinct says that an unpleasant neighbor isn't of material value to the home as would be a neighbor who didn't care for their property or who had a loud dog.

Dec 08, 2012 10:13 PM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

In our state the disclosures are for the home and the property it sits on with nothing in the forms about the psychotic neighbors or their idiosyncrasies. Legal advise should be obtained as that neighbor will be a problem for all the neighbors

Dec 08, 2012 10:37 PM
Carol Zingone
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Florida Network Realty - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Global Realtor in Jax Beach, FL - ABR, CRS, CIPS
Interesting situation.....I'm not certain disclosure addresses the issue, as you are not 100% certain the bully will in fact bully a new owner...
Dec 08, 2012 10:40 PM
Rick Phillips
Appraisals Guaranteed - Alexandria, VA
Expert & Customized Valuations

These neighbors need to just deal with the bully.

 

Dec 08, 2012 10:52 PM
Wendy Smith
Wendy Smith Real Estate - Clearwater, FL
Real Estate Advisor

Inman published an article worth reading:  http://www.inman.com/news/2013/01/30/bad-neighbors-can-affect-appraisals

It's true, bad neighbors, including bullys can affect value.

Mar 09, 2013 11:48 PM
Margaret Mitchell
Coldwell Banker Yorke Realty - York, ME
Seacoast Maine & NH Real Estate

I would love to know how it turned out.  Did you take the listing?

Aug 14, 2013 01:01 AM
Wendy Smith
Wendy Smith Real Estate - Clearwater, FL
Real Estate Advisor

She decided not to sell.  She hasn't just dealt with the issue either.  One morning the bully blocked my neighbor from backing out of her own driveway! 

My neighbor complains but then cowers.   To be honest, I avoid listening to the bully-stories, if my neighbor won't help herself, how can anyone else help?

Aug 14, 2013 06:40 AM
Anonymous
Lucinda Frye, Realtor

If the seller makes bully disclosure the % likelihood sale drops. Ultimate resolution is aggressive legal pursuit of quite enjoyment against the bully. Costs $. Legislation under Fed Fair Housing to add bullying , i.e., the "bullyee" can make a Fed Fair Housing claim against the "bullyor" which cost the complainant nothing. Of course false claims are prosecuted. What do you think?

Jul 23, 2017 08:29 AM
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Anonymous
Lucinda Frye, Realtor

Maybe she doesn't know how to help herself. You could point out resources without getting involved. "All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing."

Jul 23, 2017 08:54 AM
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