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Home Inspector with 203kOnLine.com, covering the USA S0289

I see lots of different designs but here is one in Berkeley that appears to be a little unique

Unique Berkeley homeIt might be fun trying but can you imagine having the appraiser say it conforms to the neighborhood? LOL, I'm laughing because some would say that. 

I've passed by this home a hundred times and each time it gets my attention. I've not seen one like it before though I have seen a good many odd looking houses. The appraiser as to say "this home appears typical of the neighborhood" or it doesn't... mmm

I had one recently where the appraiser arrived at the home and said "what value makes this deal work?" Not a question that should be asked at all. In fact I think he would be seriously reprimanded if the Office of Real Estate Appraisers knew about it. It was a stupid question and though the answer was $380,000 it came in at $355,000 and below the need anyway. Not a pretty picture.

I see appraisals quite often and having had a Fee Shop I can't help but look for inconsistencies. 203k appraisal is typically "after the improvements are made". The oriignal guideline says we should have two appraisals. In 1995 we questioned HUD and since it was costing the borrower, the public was being hit with an unnecessary expense. 

Why you might ask? Can you imagine finding a home that needs repair and attempting to find comps in it's poor "before repaired" condition. Not easily done because typically a listing agent for a foreclosures doesn't put much info in the listing... wouldn't want to waste his time and the seller stands by their guns with regards to "I never lived there, it is a foreclosures so I don't have any disclosures to make", "I know nothing as Sgt. Shultz would say". 

So, it is easier to find the "as is" value and many times more accurate when you take the "after improved value" less the "cost to cure" or "the construction cost and fees" to determine the "as is" value. In the case of a refinance it is the existing debt or the "after improved value less the cost to complete the construction.

The guideline says it is "the existing debt" which is false but it is the guideline. I had this argument in 1995 too. If the current value is the existing debt and no other way to determine the "as is" value I challenged the guideline as if you take it literally and have a home that is totally paid off, maybe you inherited it free and clear, the guideline says it has "Zero Value" and that cannot be the likely result. The land alone has some value unless it is contaminated but that isn't what we are talking about. 

When I put them to the test on this issue we all agreed that the guideline is not accurate for determining the "as is value" for a refinace but some lenders still have to be convinced as they want to follow that guideline very strictly.

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Comments(7)

Potranco Realty
Potranco Realty - San Antonio, TX
"Sold with Potranco Realty"
Mike, that is a unique interesting home and stands out in the neighborhood. Your explanation on "as is" makes me wish I would have been aggressive with a property a few years back. You know your value and it takes a strong mind of knowledge and experience to fight the big boys.....congrats. Good Stuff and best wishes Bob
Dec 08, 2012 06:44 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Seems to me that the matter of square feet and amenities should be paramount. 

Dec 08, 2012 07:01 PM
Kevin Henry
Henry Realty - Fort Wayne, IN

Good blog, By the guidlines I also lost about a third of the value in my home. When my wife and I go to visit her Uncle in your town we will have to go by this house.

Dec 08, 2012 07:28 PM
Mike Young
203kOnLine.com, covering the USA - Stallings, NC
FHA 203k Consultant 916-758-1809

Bob - When I had my Fee Shop I wanted the difficult ones, They are more challenging. I had plenty of employees then that woudl talk the easy ones. I never had a review appraiser beat me on appeal and one group tried several times and after a while asked if I would do their appraisals... LOL

Lenn - you are right of course but can you ever say this home conforms to the neighborhood? It clearly has to be treated as a "custom home" but that also gives you latitude to gou out farther and back in time a bit to search comps. I have another one too far for a comp but I'll see if I can't get a photo of it in the next couple of weeks. 

Kevin - even though it has the nautical theme it feels like you are in "Bedrock" with the "Flintstones"

Thank you all for your comments.

Dec 09, 2012 03:04 AM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

Berkeley?  Yeah, that sounds about right Mike.

Love the post!

Dec 09, 2012 05:17 AM
Jack Mossman - The Nines Team at Keller Williams in Stockton
The Nines Team At Keller Williams - Stockton, CA
The Nines Team at Keller Williams in Stockton

Mike - When the usual becomes the unusual - then the guidelines need to be used with creativity.  You may remember another "guideline" ... the expression ... "the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law."  Either way, in the end it's an opinion, hopefully based on professional skill and experience.

Dec 09, 2012 06:21 AM
Mike Young
203kOnLine.com, covering the USA - Stallings, NC
FHA 203k Consultant 916-758-1809

Tom and Jack, thanks for stopping by I appreciate your comments.

Dec 09, 2012 10:06 AM