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Making a Federal Case

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Federal Pacific Electric panelEvidence, it's what every police detective seeks at a crime. Clues that lead to facts, whether rock solid or hair thin. The assemblage of proof is the making of a case. Home inspection is in many ways similar. Inspectors in essence are hunting for clues through out a house.

Experience is said to be the best teacher, which I have found to be true not only in every job I've done, but in life. The great thing about experience is that we don't have to rely totally on or own. We can benefit from the shared experiences of others to help build upon our own knowledge. Passing along knowledge is a uniquely human ability.

Home inspectors learn first by formal training, then by poking through houses and the shared experiences of other inspectors. Other important pieces of knowledge are gathered from the collective expertise of people who are deemed specialists.

There are particular items that are red flags in the world of home inspection. Defective products that have through testing, both in the lab and by time itself, shown themselves to be problematic. One of these products is Federal Pacific electric panels and circuit breakers.

Burnt out bath fanThe issues with this long out of business manufacturer's equipment are several and well documented. I have personally experienced just one of these problems up until very recently.

There are two basic problems with Federal Pacific equipment, one is with the panel enclosure. The design of the busbar (the metal strip on to which the breakers attach) is poor. Basically breakers can become loose. I once removed the cover of an older FPE panel to have three breakers tumble from the panel. Loose connections cause fires.

The other problem with FPE equipment as I said is with the circuit breakers. The breakers are known to not trip when an over current condition occurs. The failure of FPE breakers is well known and documented. Yet few if any inspectors actually experience this first hand. And so it was with me until recently.

During the course of of a recent home inspection the hall bathroom was used. This like the master bathroom, had a bath fan installed...from 1965. After use the door had been left closed with the fan running. When I entered to inspect the bathroom later, the room was filled with smoke. The ancient fan had apparently burned. The light in the fan was still on meaning the circuit breaker hadn't tripped. The house has two FPE panels.Federal Pacific breaker that did not trip

Whether the fan motor burning out should have tripped the circuit breaker is hard for me to know. The presence of an FPE panel does lead me to believe the breaker is faulty considering all the evidence.

My reports always contain a short paragraph describing the know faults of FPE equipment along with an attached document giving detailed information of this equipment and its manufacture's history. Taken all together the evidence is strong for the replacement of these panels.

Posted by

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

I have been running into these and some "Federal Nomac" panels as well. Would these Nomac panels have been recalled as well?

I can't find anything on these. send me a e-mail please. clintmckie@yahoo.com Thanks.

Have a good day and a great Holiday season in Connecticut..

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 20, 2012 09:00 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

Here is a shot of the Federal Panel. Not a Federal Pacific panel but a Federal Nomac Panel.

If I am reading this right.

Federal panel.

Here is a look inside the panel.

Inside view of federal panel.

So waddaya think? Let me know.

Have a good day and a great Holiday season in Wallingford.

Best, Clint McKie

 

Dec 20, 2012 09:20 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Once I took the cover off a Fed Pac and a breaker came out.  It scared me to death.  I had never had to reinstall one and was very reluctant.  But I did it.  Since then I do not take the covers off and say so in the report.  I give a bunch of links and warnings, but that is as far as I go.

And I've never heard of a Fed Nomac, Clint.  Google might!

Dec 20, 2012 09:56 PM
Than Maynard
Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma - Purcell, OK
Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862

I have never heard of these problems before, but then I am not a home inspector. Never paid much attention to the brand of panel.

Dec 20, 2012 10:59 PM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

James -- that would be a major concern for any buyer, if electrical moters are burning up, and breakers are not tripping, how much longer till the house burns down?

Dec 21, 2012 03:27 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Well who's to say you've made a FEDERAL case here, but you've certainly explained the STATE of this dangerous equipment. Fortunately it is a rarity here.

Dec 21, 2012 08:21 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Clint, FPE panels were never recalled. They should have been, unfortunately never happened. If you didn't read the document I linked to, I would recommend you take a look. It may answer some of your questions about FPE equipment. As for the the Federal Nomac, I see those here occasionally. As far as I know, its a different company.

Jay, Like I said I had three fall out at once. Not a fun time. 

Than, FPE is notorious. Another brand equally as notorious is Zinsco. 

Steven, I guess you could equate that to a ticking time bomb. Everything's fine until...

Robert, Well said :) 

Dec 21, 2012 09:51 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, I always call those bad boys out. There is more information coming on these also so keep tuned.

 

Dec 21, 2012 11:48 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim, no problem here calling them out---the article by Hansen is pretty awesome reference for anyone that wants the real scoop.

Dec 22, 2012 12:48 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Don, Always have too. I'll be looking.

Charlie, Yes it is. I have made it an attachment for my reports. 

Dec 22, 2012 08:33 PM