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A Fellow Active Rain Member Said This should be REQUIRED Reading!

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Real Estate Appraiser with Lanier Appraisal Service CR004373

HINT, HINT ACTIVE RAIN, WILL YOU FEATURE THIS POST?

In replying to a Members Featured Post on Active Rains Daily Email Drop (Beverly Herdman) 

Understanding the Appraisal  Process
 

Another Member Steve Earnshaw who read my comment said:

I re-read Mary Thompson's post.  Very well stated.  This should be required reading for all agents in my market area.  Unfortunately, the "good" appraiser is looked at as the one who consistantly concludes the contract value is the current market value, regardless of how the comps are chosen and adjusted.  A buyer is always free to pay more than the appraised value.  It is their decision and theirs alone.  The appraisal can be informative, but its' real purpose is to protect the lender/investor. 

  You may want to read this first along with some of the commments made and you will better understand my response. 


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MY REPLY:

As a CURRENT Appraiser you can guess that I take issue with some comments made here. Yes, I agree we have to look at the past sales to provide a CURRENT Value, mind you, not a FUTURE Value (which is what a Relocation appraisal essentially does). So the key is to use the most current sales we can. We also use listings to determine where the market is headed, but I do agree many sellers are reaching for the stars and the market does not support this trend. 

1. We have always been required to look at trends. We are NOT form fillers. Some may be, but majority are not. If that were the case why do we have to take more continuing education than most any other profession, similar to Lawyers and Doctors and WAY more than Realtors do, if we are just going to fill in forms for $350.00 to $400.00 a pop. 

2. Appraisers DO report MARKET Value, Not "Appraised value" as one person stated here. However, we better be able to prove our opinion of value in the MARKET. I have always said Appraisers do NOT determine value, the MARKET does. But again if we cannot prove this with very recent sales,  trends in the PENDING sales and Listing trends, then the Underwriters will throw it out PERIOD! Listings really do not get alot of weight because if everyone starts listing high and we place any credence on these prices, we will once again be appraising homes too high. The only reason why lenders want listings to be included is to show that the trend is at or above and not below recent sales. If they are trending downward we better be thinking of a declining market adjustment. Same holds true the other way, but we better have have other factors which support an increasing market value adjustment or it will be rejected.

3. As for appraisers not having the guts to reflect trends in the market. It is all about what we can prove and what the lenders will believe even if we have clearly proven our point! I have for the past few months been noting increasing market trends in certain areas and I have applied an increasing market time adjustment to my sales. I have had some lenders who take no issue with this as long as I prove my point; be it lack of supply, days on market very low, listing and pending sales trending higher, etc. BUT I have also had some lenders that tell me NO the market is not increasing (Where they are getting that information is beyond me as the facts prove otherwise) and to explain why I am adding an increasing time adjustment to my report. I explain it further and whether they believe me and accept the report is Unknown to me. They may just get a 2nd opinion. 

4. Bottom line is this: If appraisers were allowed to analyze and report the market for which they are very qualified to do (sure there are some bad apples out there, but there are many good appraisers) they will report the REAL DEAL MARKET value, which may or may not be the sales price in the transaction. Can be at, below or yes even higher than the sales price. Remember we have NO vested interest in the properties we appraise unlike Realtors who commission is based upon the homes closing. So why would we NOT value the property as the MARKET dictates?

5. Realtors, Buyers, Sellers, unless you are an appraiser you do not understand all the processes that we must employ and the rules including USPAP that we must follow. The last thing we should do is take the sales price and then work our way to that value. If any appraiser is doing that they should be thrown out of the appraiser pool. 

6. As for getting a copy of the Sales contract, we MUST get that as it is required to analyze the sales contract as part of the appraisal report. I would prefer NOT to see the sales contract, but it is a requirement. 

I have been in the business since 1993 and have seen it all. It is no walk in the park as some people may think with their Form Filler comments. We have a license to protect just like you do, we take pride in our work and we do not appreciate lenders, Realtors, Buyers or Sellers trashing the work we do.

We are here to protect Buyers and Lenders from making huge mistakes by over paying or over lending. So please let us protect these people and believe in the work we do. As Realtors you can certainly provide any details about the homes or comps that may assist in the evaluation, but please don't insult our intelligence by providing comps that clearly are NOT comparable to the subject we are appraising. It happens all the time! 

Sorry to rant, but it gets tiring when your profession is continually bashed when all we are trying to do is protect those that hire us by providing TRUE market value.  

** I have seen recently where listing prices are up and in some cases too HIGH UP. There is that fine line that the sellers are testing and once you step over it, well just compare it to the FISCAL CLIFF! :)

 

Thank you!

 

 

 
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Comments(9)

Randy Bocook
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Richmond Hill, GA
Selling Coastal Georgia

Great Post,  I agree. We take that Process for granted.

Randy

Dec 20, 2012 10:41 PM
Doug Rogers
RE/MAX Coastal Properties - Destin, FL
Your Real Estate Resource!

Like any other field, there are high, normal, and low quality appraisers. The difference is a client can select which Dentist, real estate agent, plumber, he/she chooses. With FHA and RD the appraiser is assigned to the home.

The bulk of the appraisers in my market are first-rate. But there are a few bad apples in the barrel. Nothing beats having to meet the "professional" at the home because he is too cheap to pay 14 bucks a month for a key reader.

 

Dec 20, 2012 10:47 PM
Lanise Warrior-Johnson
Real Estate Brokers Services, Inc. - Compton, CA
Real Estate Specialist

This is a great blog, and has provided me with a better appreciation of the appraisal process.  Good luck on potentially getting featured! 

Dec 20, 2012 10:48 PM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Doug:

Big difference here on selection. You are not comparing apples to apples. Yes, individuals who would be the DIRECT recipient of a service from a Dentist, Doctor, Plumber, etc. can and do select these providers, because no other entity is involved and no other entity is at risk, IE; A lender providing a loan for thousands of dollars to that individual.

The difference is that the individuals are not financially vested in the outcome of their selection of providers like Realtors and Loan Officers ARE. In other words, the individual is not getting a commission or a loan based upon the result of their choice. When Loan Officers, Realtors and Home owners do gain financially by getting a loan or a commission, based upon the outcome of the appraisal and those same people are in charge of the selection of the appraiser, well now that is a problem and a real conflict of interest!

That is why they changed it so that NO commissioned person or anyone who stands to gain financially or who could put pressure on Appraisers by telling them Hey you won't get any more work if you d not make the number work was eliminated. I for one was happy about this change. 

If you were a good appraiser before this change, you still kept your job. Lenders really do want those they can trust to protect their lending risks these days and even if they don't act like it sometimes, if you are an appraiser that they can trust and who will not buckle to pressure, then their investors will be happy and you will continue to get the work. 

 

Dec 20, 2012 11:14 PM
Broker Patty Da Silva Da Silva
Green Realty Properties® - 954-667-7253 - Cooper City, FL
Top Listing Broker

To offer my opinion.. Appraisers do a lot for little money and even less appreciation. There are bad appraisers, yes but I believe that they are in the minority.

Dec 21, 2012 06:23 AM
Bill Cobb Appraiser
Accurate Valuations Group, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA
Greater Baton Rouge's Home Appraiser

Mary, THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

In the past couple of years when appraisals are mentioned on AR, there's this groan from Agents on AR. So, you're taking on this topic and shedding much light on the Appraisal Process was very, very helpful and Brave honestly with some of the venim on this topic from Agents whose deals didn't appraise in the past couple of years.  Thank you sharing your wisdom.  I may content curate this giving you credit and adding  local market commentary.  

In Understand The Appraisal Process, I can understand what Beverly was saying, that Appraisers will look at what HAS SOLD regardless of multiple offers.  I mean, If I have 6 sold comps in my grid indicating market value support $10K lower than P.A. and the 3 Listing Comps 7-9 are pending and indicate support for P.A., I can go along and agree with P.A., BUT will the AMC and then lender go agree?   If Sold Comps 1-6 don't at all support the P.A., will the AMC and Lender agree?  It's a touchy subject really.  This is why in my market and for the AMCs and Lenders I work with, most ALL of them require me to add 2-3 listing comps, preferably pending listings.  

Thank you, Bill 

Jan 29, 2013 11:20 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Thanks Bill. I agree! In fact when it comes to recent pending sales I will call the agent and even though they are not supposed to tell me the sales price, many do or I get them to at least give me a good ball park, ie; I ask are you within 5% of list price, if they say no, I ask are you within 10% etc. I can get a good idea of sales price that way. I also ask how SOLID is that pending sale. Is there a good chance that the deal will close?  Based upon these pending sales if they clearly show an increase in the market I will adjust accordingly but as noted in this post and as you say if all the SALES are not showing this increase, the chances the lenders will agree with this adjustment are slim to none!

Thanks again Bill 

Jan 29, 2013 09:11 PM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

Too bad you didn't get your wish and get featured.  Nice job!

Apr 13, 2013 09:50 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Sharon

 

I hear you, I think Appraisers are low on the totem pole of getting Featured Posts!!! Oh well. Thanks for your comments. 

Apr 13, 2013 09:57 PM