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Inspired by Mike Jones of Arizona who writes about Uncle Sam and the free market, a few observations about the so called "stimulus" the government have cut and pasted together to cure our economic ills. 

THE AMERICAN PROMISE - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Happiness is extremely difficult without financial security and the struggle for that financial security is caught up in our present financial quagmire caused by "the mortgage mess".  The perfidy of a few money managers and speculators has caused a significant number of home owners to lose their homes, lose their credit and, in many cases, lose their financial security. 

AMERICANS BELIEVE WE HAVE A MARKET ECONOMY.  Many have always sought free market solutions to economic problems.  For most folks, if you want or need more money, you get a second job, get a better paying job or sell one asset to pay for another.  Many believe that the market works and the best solution is to "let the market work".  That system isn't always pretty.  Speculators who bet wrong lose.  However, they do so freely. 

INCORRECT PRICING OF PRODUCTS CAN PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS.  Banks and mortgage companies that relied on lower than profitable mortgage loans to "beat the competition" found that they couldn't make a profit.  The market solution is to let these mortgage companies find their own solution, get investment money, remodel their product to one that is profitable OR go out of business.  Stock holders in these companies would lose money, but it was money that was speculated.  When a mortgage company expands exponentially through a system of offering the lowest price whether or not that price provides any profit, they are simply growing fat, they're not growing healthy.  A market economy would demand that any company suffer the consequences of  poor management that sold defective goods or made loans to consumers with no feasibility of repayment, loans that the mortgage company knew or should have known couldn't be repaid.  The further perfidy of a mortgage company growing fat by making bad loans is that the borrowers were often financing homes.  They were not financing automobiles or sofas or sail boats or vacations.  They were financing homes and the multitude of human experiences, jobs, schools, playgrounds, family and friends that is represented by "home". 

THE WAL-MART OF MORTGAGE COMPANIES?  Wal-Mart offers low prices to consumers and is the dominant retailer in the U.S.  However, Wal-Mart also manages it's purchasing and distribution in a way that is profitable.  The key to dominating market share through low prices is offering goods and services efficiently based on low margins, not no margins.  If Wal-Mart sold goods at prices lower than they paid, they wouldn't be the marketing machine they are today.  If a mortgage company gains market share through the distribution of bad loans that are not repaid, sooner or later, that mortgage company will run out of investment money to cover the short-fall.  In the case of making bad loans, selling the bad loans, packaging the bad loans and selling the bad parts, once the money stream is interrupted by defaults, foreclosures and short sales, it's game over.  Those parts aren't worth what the investors paid for them. 

But wait, that mortgage company is just one of many that are on the cusp of bankruptcy caused by greedy and incompetent management.  There are many and the institutions that supported their financial structure has callapsed like the Ponzi scheme that it resembled.  Make loan, sell loan, collect loans, cut them up in little pieces and sell off the parts.  The financial markets resembled a meat market selling chicken parts. 

 

GET YOUR PARTS HERE 

The securitization of home mortgages has proved to be one of the contributors to the mortgage mess. 

Investors around the world, hedge market managers, etc. sold off mortgages like so many chicken parts.  

The issuers of the bad loans do not deserve to be saved.   Their greed has caused the collapse of the home loan mortgage market on which Americans rely for mortgage financing.  Today, even prospective home buyers with good credit and down payments are finding mortgage money as scarce as hen's teeth.   

 Where did all the money go??

 Image originally posted in June 2007.   "The more things change, the more they remain the same."

 

 

 

ENTER THE FINANCIAL STIMULUS.  SOUNDS LIKE A MANAGED ECONOMY SOLUTION TO A MARKET  PROBLEM.  The stimulus is proposed by the managers of the economy as the solution to the mortgage mess.  That leads to the question of "Who are the managers?"   The managers are the same persons and institutions who abused the American public by neglecting their duty of oversight in exchange for money contributions from the very entities that were perpetrating the Ponzi scheme of selling mortgages to investors like so many chicken parts.  The managers are the same persons who permitted the banking institutions to chop up the mortgages and package them to be sold as "parts".  The managers are the same persons that are using their position of privilege to borrow about $150,000,000,000 from the budgets of one group of Americans and give it away in small "parts" to another group of Americans.  They haven't explained to the satisfaction of many just how giving money away in small parts is going to solve "the mortgage mess".  The individual gifts are not sufficient to make more than one mortgage payment.  But, as we know, Americans aren't expected to pay a mortgage payment with the gift, they are expected to go to the Mall and spend the money on clothes, toys, shoes, electronics and other consumer goods.  Wal-Mart will sell a lot of goods and realize small profits.  The consumer's house will go to foreclosure. 

So, the question is, who is the stimulus supposed to help?  I'll be back when I can figure that one out. 

Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.

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52 Comments on DO AMERICANS WANT A MARKET ECONOMY OR DO WE WANT A MANAGED ECONOMY?

We don't want a managed anything...no managed markets, no managed healthcare, etc. 

I think we all know by now that money (credit) doesn't buy people happiness, it just lets people suffer in a better neighborhood. 

01/29/2008 09:16 AM by I HEART THE BLOG BUTTON Amanda Hall * Texas Real Estate Broker (Hall Team Homes )


Lenn,

This is known as 'legal' redistribution of wealth...a very 'pink' economic principle!!! Thanks,   Fran

01/29/2008 09:25 AM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


It's a conundrum. The free market is what caused this major problem. The free market failed to "manage" itself. On the other hand, a managed market from the Gov't will stifle growth.

01/29/2008 09:25 AM by Stephen Graham (Associate Broker) Buyer's Agent (Realty Professionals, Inc. - Atlanta, GA Georgia)


Lenn - I agree with Amanda..no managed anything! And in regards to the stimulus package, it just looks good on paper.

01/29/2008 09:26 AM by Linda Scanlan (A Fan of AR)


Lenn,

"Until men learn that of all human symbols, Robin Hood is the most immoral and the most contemptible, there will be no justice on earth and no way for mankind to survive... He is remembered, not as the champion of property, but as a champion of need, not as a defender of the robbed, but as a provider of the poor."  

Impress me and name the speaker.

Also, for an interesting anecdote about the redistribution of wealth, Google "barstool economics"

01/29/2008 09:39 AM by Brian Block -- Northern Virginia & D.C. Real Estate (RE/MAX Allegiance)


Maybe folks won't feel as badly about losing their homes if they can buy a brand new Wii!   

01/29/2008 09:42 AM by Gregory D. Maley - Metropolitan Washington, DC REALTOR (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Chevy Chase)


Lenn, I don't know how many times I've said it but I'll say it again. I am a life long Republican. I believe in economic freedoms. But I also know that we have a history (before our "manged" economy) of a PANIC every twenty years or so. Banks used to issue their own currency. Every time their was a "run" on a bank people would get stuck with worthless currency. Something had to be done. A little management sure beats chaos. Today's Republican is more like a Jacksonian Democrat.

Now as for the mortgage meltdown, it was more about the actions of the Fed and how they created the environment that allowed the speculators to run rampant and then how the Fed's policies shut them down to quickly.

It wasn't about greedy mortgage companies making loans they knew people couldn't repay (sure there was some of that) but more about quickly escalating rates that made ARMs so expensive.

Please see my post Greenspan, The Evil Villain for a more detail argument.

I support the stimulus package because a recession helps nobody. Our problems didn't come about from natural causes, but from the mismanagement of the economy by the Federal Reserve System's Open Market Committee.

Bill Roberts

01/29/2008 09:42 AM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


(Hand up! Pick me! Ayn Rand?) Ah, yes, Robin Hood, who remains in our minds "...a justification for every mediocrity who, unable to make his own living, has demanded the power to dispose of the property of his betters, by proclaiming his willingness to devote his life to his inferiors at the price of robbing his superiors."

Excellent post, Lenn.  Do you get tired of hearing that?

01/29/2008 09:55 AM by Susan Haughton Alexandria, VA REALTOR® (Long & Foster REALTORS® Old Town Alexandria)


hmmmm, did you watch the State of the Union address last night? 

There is no one easy solution. And the same people who were behind the scenes are still around. To those who do not want anything managed, would you agree it was "mismanagement" that got us all into this fix? We have many, many people in positions of authority in companies and government that are in it for themselves only. And the people working under them are appointed to do their bidding. Real estate has gone from the American Dream to the American Nightmare!

01/29/2008 10:13 AM by Karen Hurst ~ Real Estate Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Storm Realty LLC)


Amanda.  That's priceless.   

Fran.  You see through everything I write, don't you?  I know what it's called, but I felt like being being "nuanced" today.

Stephen.  I don't believe that the "free market" caused the mortgage mess.  I believe it was law breaking, failure of fiduciary and downright greed.  I can't blame the consumer because we don't expect them to understand the market.  However, all of those bad loans made, sold, packaged, sold again in parts were all assisted along the way by incompetent and often complicent law makers, enforcers, watchdogs and oversight folks. 

Linda.  Sure.  But, when you ask where the money comes from. . . . .

Gregory.  The ultimate sublimation.

Bill.  I read that article when you wrote it.  I agree that mismanagement was the cause.  I agree that the Fed didn't help.

In my market, when folks could buy a $500,000 home at 5%, the market was viable.  When the Fed caused rates to go to 6.5%, they couldn't buy any longer.  The old "disconnect". 

BTW, my comments about mortgage company was specifically Countrywide.  I watched more and more folks sucked in by their cheap arms, interest only, etc., etc. loans and then when they needed to refinace, no one would talk with them.  Countrywide got to be #1 by selling money cheaper than they could buy it. 

Susan.  Excellent comments.  This subject makes for some very thoughtful and informed comments. 

I love this place.  I just can't talk real estate market with my grandchildren and most of our agents would be saying, Alan who???   Needless to say, I don't talk financial market mess or politics with home buyers.  I haven't completely lost my mind. 

 

 

 

01/29/2008 10:23 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Karen. I beleive that malfeasance was at the bottom.  They let those Wall Street guys pull the wool right over their eyes. 

I can't agree that is was mismanagement.  The perfidy of many was planned and watched by the regulators.  I believe it was pure greed.  Look at the case of Franlkin Raines.  He deliberately mistated the financials of Fannie Mae to enhance his bonuses with $Millions to him personally.  But, the result of his perfidy, Fannie Mae was worthless when their lawful function was needed to fuel mortgage loans.  They left it to investors and speculators.  Now Fannie Mae is increasing the burden on the consumer by tightening lending guidelines.  Fannie Mae didn't need to tighten lending guidelines.  All they needed to do was follow the law and not buy worthless loans and identify those lenders that were selling them.  Any 10th grader could write a program to identify for prosecution those lenders who were abusing the system.  No one wanted to get involved in enforcement, their job.

If Fannie Mae had not failed, I don't believe we'd be in this mess. 

If Fannie Mae hadn't failed, the Conforming loan limit could have been raised long ago.  Fannie could have gone to Congress and said, the price of housing has escalated and the conforming loan limit must be raised OR the mortgage companies will be forced to go to private investors to fund loans.  We don't beleive that the public is served by being forced to go to private investors and subprime lenders. 

If Fannie Mae had not been under investigation, not performing, etc., etc. with fraudulent financials, etc. things could have turned out differently, or not as bad. 

 

 

 

01/29/2008 10:29 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


A free market needs to be policed not managed. 

01/29/2008 10:35 AM by Chris Frantz (Hernando County Real Estate - Exit Success Realy)


Chris.  Thank You.  I agree.  We need enforcement. 

I'm still looking for more perp walks. 

01/29/2008 10:38 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn - Bookmarked as a must read.  In my own humble opinion, you outdid yourself yet again.  Chris said is well, policed but not managed.  This freaking forum is like Real Estate/Economics 101, a fountain of info and insight.  Thanks.....

01/29/2008 11:27 AM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Jason.  I agree.  The conversations on this blog are amazing for the insight and inspiration and often fun they provide.

We've got some very smart cookie here.

01/29/2008 11:33 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


It is now a politicized issue so you know the "solution" will be directed at getting votes not so much at remedying the cause. I always did want one of them Wii things! Strange how we can believe the government can manage the economy!

01/29/2008 12:28 PM by Gary Waters - Real Estate Agent Viera Suntree (Century 21 Baytree Realty www.moving2brevard.com)


Gary. You're so right.  Once the government steps in to remediate anything, it comes down to what will get more votes for each side.

01/29/2008 01:15 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Isn't the government just borrowing more money adding to the already incredibly huge national debt.  I think one of the things we need to get the economy back on track is to reinstate tariffs, so that we bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.

When nike makes shoes in Asia or wherever, they didn''t lower the price of their shoes, just send jobs overseas were wages are lower and put more money in investors pockets.

And how about a forward looking leader who will commit to getting the US energy independent in 10 years, what an economic stimulus that would be. We can start just by weatherizing homes across the country...again creating new jobs...Investing in education...

01/29/2008 02:36 PM by Michael Eisenberg, Bellingham Realtor (Fairhaven Realty)


Michael.  Thanks for your thoughful comments.  Sure, the stimulus is just adding to the debt.  The government have no money.  The government do not create any wealth.  That just print it.  What a life.  The problem is that they print it and give it to consumers in exchange for votes.  Mmmmm.

I believe one of the rationales for trading was that the citizens of the countries to which we exported our jobs, would like us.  How's that working out for us????

Sure, we could be energy independent in 10 years.  But, does that get huge political contributions to get reelected from the start up companies to develop energy efficient products?  Follow the money and you'll know what Congress has planned for us for the next few years.  Sad but true.

01/29/2008 03:00 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn, Another reason we need campaign finance reform, we are getting a little political here but it effects everything.

I heard an interesting statistic recently. There are 150,000,000 working people in the US. If enveryone of them gave $5 a year, over a 4 year period that would be $3 billion dollars, seems like enough to money to run a few campaigns doesn't it.   But how do we get congress to approve something like this?

01/29/2008 03:50 PM by Michael Eisenberg, Bellingham Realtor (Fairhaven Realty)


Michael.  I too refrain from getting political.  This isn't the forum for it, although I can hardly be restrained.  I listened to he Barney Frank hearings and then followed the money to his contributors and found big banks.

Hard to be objective when you read things like that. 

I agree, every citizen contribute a few bucks and take the money out of the race.  Limit the campaigning to 120 days before election day. 

But, it's pie in the sky because we have a free speech issue with the 527 groups.  They have unlimited funds.  That's where the big money would go.

01/29/2008 06:04 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn,  I couuldn't agree with you more and so succinctly put.  You and the thread here have hit on many of the issues that I have with this supposed 'stimulus' package. 

01/29/2008 06:17 PM by Marc Grossman, GRI - Central Florida Real Estate Specialist (Keller Williams Heritage Realty)


Lenn, It is very difficult for me to respond intelligently without getting political! Which I do not wish to do here in this particular forum:)  Let me say that I am enamored of the word malfeasance! And in all theoretical pursuits, follow the money! You already know it. I do love reading your posts and will go back to being my quiet self:)

01/29/2008 06:29 PM by Karen Hurst ~ Real Estate Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Storm Realty LLC)


Karen.  Thanks for dropping by.  You are so right.  I love to follow the money.  It always explains why someone on the hill is saying and doing what they're saying and doing. 

 

01/29/2008 06:34 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn- When the inmates are running the asylum you can't be surprised that they are walking the halls creating havoc.. In this case the administration pandered to Wall Street and Big Business and their agenda..which was the removal of all restraints on their actions...With most regulations removed Wall Street and Major business owners had free reign and did what worked for them not what worked for the economy or the country.

Most of the regulations on the market were put in place after the Depression in the hope that we could control special interest groups.  For the last 15 years we have see a major assault on those regulations by Corporations.  Via campaign contributions and good old boy relationships business has gotten most of what they wanted.. which was little or no oversight on their operations. 

Does anyone question the fact that there are less then 10  major banks in the United States and no doubt there will be less then that at the end of this fiasco.  Deregulation is not a good thing when it promotes ownership of the country's assets in increasingly fewer hands. 

01/29/2008 07:32 PM by Manhattan Beach CA/ e-PRO..... Kaye Thomas... (Real Estate West)


I think most Americans hate micro-management! They want a balanced budget (there is a concept for a government!!!) and the ability to live a decent life, earn decent wages and be able to not only pay all their bills, but have a little left over for a vacation. Simple things - basic things!

01/30/2008 09:21 AM by Barbara-Jo & Bill - - Florida Realty Professional - AHWD (Charles Rutenberg Realty)


Kaye. Your comments are right on target.  We don't need a managed economy.  We need a market econony and enforcement of the law. 

We've got terrific disclosure, regulatory and enforcement mechanisms.  They are simply not being enforced.

Barbara-Jo and Bill.  Thanks very much.  As the simple minded creature that I am, I understand and agree.

01/30/2008 09:54 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


What a crock.  The stimulus package is purely political, and has no basis in sound economic policy.  I agree that a market economy is the goal, but the mortgage meltdown goes to show that market regulation is a necessary evil.

01/30/2008 10:38 AM by Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC


Stefan.  I have no problem with a regulated economy, as long as regulations are enforced.  Regulators are usually persons with some expertise in the field.  The folks trying to meddle, er, I mean manage our economy are not experts at anything except getting elected. 

01/30/2008 10:43 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn,

You're right...when there are regulators and regulations are still not enforced...that's a waste!!! Thanks,   Fran

01/30/2008 10:47 AM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


I'm glad they are raising limits on conforming in loans in NYC to $725,000. That will help buyers in my market where the median home price is $850,000. But dropping money ($600 - $1200) from a helicopter across the country to stimulate the economy, I don't get at all.

01/30/2008 12:52 PM by Mitchell Hall, Associate Broker, New York, NY (Coldwell Banker Previews International)


Mitchell.  Agreed.  The mortgage limits for Fannie/Freddie should have been raised 5 years ago.

$600-$1200 will not pay even one mortgage payment.

01/30/2008 03:26 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn:  I just got this today from NAR... what say you about this?

The much needed and welcome economic stimulus package is now in the hands of the U.S. Senate. But the Senate must include new loan limits on FHA and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans. America's housing market needs this help.

NAR wants a stimulus package that will be good for America’s home owners now and for future homeowners to come. 

Take Action and make your position known. Tell   Senators Alexander and Corker that including these new loan limits must be included in the economic package

Send this sample letter to Senators Alexander and Corker:

Subject: Support Inclusion of Housing in the Economic Stimulus Package 

Dear [decision maker name automatically inserted here],

As a constituent and a REALTOR®, I want to stress how important it is for the Senate to include increases for the FHA and GSE loan limits in the Senate’s economic stimulus package.  These provisions will create safe and affordable mortgage options for our state’s homeowners and provide much needed stability for our local economies.

The critical role that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (GSEs) play in providing liquidity to the mortgage market has never been more evident than it is today.  The national subprime meltdown has had a dramatic impact on both the cost and availability of mortgages in my market.  Since August 2007, the interest rates for jumbo borrowers have been more than 1 percentage point higher than conforming loans, which can cost homeowners up to $400 month in higher interest payments.

Raising the GSEs’ conforming loan limit will provide immediate relief to borrowers and alleviate downward pressure on our already fragile housing markets. According to the National Association of REALTORS®, increasing the GSE loan limit will result in more than 300,000 additional home sales and strengthen current home prices by 2 to 3 percent.

I also believe that increasing the FHA loan limits is critical to helping bolster our fragile housing market.  Current law restricts FHA loans to levels well below the median home price in many areas of the country and caps loans in high costs states at $363,790. These limits are preventing many homebuyers from using FHA to purchase or refinance their loan.  The proposed provision will increase FHA loan limits nationwide by raising the floor to $271,050 and the limit to 125% of local median home prices.  These increases will help an additional 138,000 Americans purchase and 200,000 families refinance their homes safely and affordably.

I hope I can count on you to support including increases for the FHA and GSE loan limits in the Senate’s economic stimulus package.  Our national housing and mortgage finance markets need stability and an immediate infusion of liquidity.  Both of these provisions are necessary if our nation’s families, housing markets and economy are to move beyond the crisis they now face.

 

Sincerely,

01/30/2008 06:23 PM by Jan Wood, Realtor (R) - Nashville TN Real Estate (RE/MAX ELITE)


Jan.  Thanks for commenting. 

I have e-mailed and sent telegrams to my representatives urging them to support higher loan limits for the GSEs and FHA. 

I didn't use the NAR form because it advocates higher home price supports which, for my area, I do not support.  Our home prices are still out of market for the average home buyer's qualifying income. 

High home prices are one of the things that got us where we are. 

 

01/30/2008 07:37 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn:

Congratulations!

This post has earned featured post status on the Silent Majority group in ActiveRain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

01/30/2008 09:30 PM by » Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator


Somebody said the free market failed to manage itself. I disagree. Failure is part of the free market and countrywide and numerous others failed. Consumers have a right to expect guidance from their lenders, but there was huge consumer greed as well.

01/30/2008 09:43 PM by Simon Conway (Picket Fence Realty)


Lenn...just the sort of thing I need to read before heading on vacation with my wife!

Let's see...in California people can have a negative amortization loan, that they stated their fixed income higher than they should to qualify for a payment that leaves $700 or more interest deferred (or 'unpaid' in old English).

So if I was going to guess where the $300 or more 'economic stimulus' will end up, I'm going to say....

A new flatscreen TV. Of course, they'll have to finance the majority of the expense, but no payments for a year!

01/30/2008 10:37 PM by Hemet Home Loan Guy, Joey Aszterbaum (Patrion Mortgage)


Bill.  THANKS ! ! !     I'll take a gold star any place I can get one. 

Simon.  I do not expect mortgage expertise from the consumer.  They have their own expertise in whatever job or profession they hold.  Mortgage expertise is the job of mortgage professionals.  In many cases, the mortgage professional said "APPROVED" when it should have said "DENIED".  I don't care how much pressure the mortgage professional gets from the consumer or the agent (that's been one of the excuses), the consumer should not be "given" $100,000 or $3,000,000 or $500,000 or $500 if they can't show the ability to repay the loan.  The consumer is now defaulting, but the mortgage professionals enabled them.

Joey.  Nice to hear from you.  I don't know where you can buy a flat screen TV for $300.  They have to have a family with several children to qualify for the money for large ticket consumer items.  Which, of course, many will.  But, none of the checks from the government will be enough for one mortgag payment. 

Have a nice vacation.

01/31/2008 07:20 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


 Here Ye!  Here Ye!

"Ye (You)  shall be a Tyson chicken in every garage and a Toyota in every pot

...er...no, wait, that's not right--- let's try again:

"Ye (You) shall have  A POT...but you can't "Wii Wii" in it!"

01/31/2008 10:40 AM by John March, Broker (Choice Realty Marketing, LLC / Exit Realty Unlimited)


Lenn:

You are welcome.  I love your posts.  They are always well thought out.

01/31/2008 01:42 PM by » Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator


Lenn,

You could not of said it any better.  My biggest laugh I had the other day was when I heard that the Mortgage Bankers Association does not want to take an inch of responsibility for the mess we are in.  Us lenders and mortgage companies made some bad decisions that have caused much heartache to many.  At least take a little responsibility. 

Great Post.

02/01/2008 08:59 AM by Gary Miljour - Mortgage Lending for Tempe Arizona (Cherry Creek Mortgage Company)


Lenn-I think the stimulus is a joke...not sure what people will do with the funds but I bet for some to pay bills and have no choice in the matter!  Is it really free money????  Not sure about that either!  Raising the loan limits...I agree they should have done that a long time ago...all of these crazy loans that emerged is really affecting the market today....I saw numbers of interest only loans to balloon this year...crazy...crazy...crazy!  Great post and you do an incredible job with your post...you do in fact post hard core real estate! :)

Congrats Lenn...this post was selected for the blogger's choice winner! 

                                     

02/14/2008 11:55 AM by Midori Miller-Daytona Beach Florida Real Estate Trainer (CENTURY 21 Sundance Realty)


John.  Thanks for the chuckle.  I needed one today.

Gary.  I agree.  Let's face it.  We all, buyers, sellers, agents, appraisers, etc. rely on the loan officers saying "yea or nay" when someone makes a loan application. 

Midori.  Yippie.  I love an award.  Any award.  I love awards.  Thanks.

02/14/2008 12:03 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


LENN- As always you have such insight.  It remains t be seen who will directly benefit from the stimulus package. With so much debt accruing usury interest charges, it is the equivelent for many financially injured people of putting a band aid on a bleeding artery.

However, for others, it may be the incentive they need to search for modest priced housing and use it as down payment money. 

It remains to be seen if the "Free money" will be "income" next tax year or not.  Even the experts are not certain.  It will however, give some people, a little room to take a breath before the next month's bills arrive.  Sort of the equivelent of allowing their heads up before they are pushed under water again. Delays the inevitable drowning for too many unfortunate souls.

02/14/2008 01:39 PM by Allison Stewart REALTOR ®St. Cloud Florida (Florida Pines Realty, Inc)


Allison.

You're a lot more optimistic than I.  But, if the government is going to move money around, best they give it back to real folks.  This beats an earmark anytime. 

 

02/14/2008 04:39 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn, Did you draw that cartoon?  Sorry, I didn't read all the comments, but if you did...you're a woman of diverse talents! :)  It is sobering to contemplate what sort of a mess we are in. One of the reasons why it's difficult to quantify is that I don't think anyone really wants to look at the true extent of this dilemma.  So, we continue to skirt around the issue and push money in circles...

02/14/2008 07:35 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


Hi, Lenn - This is yet another great post.  The free market does work... when we let it work.  The problem is that Alan "asleep at the switch" Greenspan failed to act in time to cut off the incentives for the financial markets and they found greed.  Enter Bernake and his apparent inability to control the screaming baby (Wall Street) so he opts to throwing more money at it until it's a screaming teenage monster.  Now of course rather than let the market dictate the appropriate punishment for Countrywide and others we bail them out and throw more money we don't have at them.  Brilliant plan.  I say let the lenders fold, let the shareholder portfolios take a hit, let the CEO's trade their tailored suits for thrice worn prison shoes.  Perhaps then the real lessons of the power of a free market will be learned.

02/15/2008 03:34 AM by Jesse -*- I really, really love my blog button -*- Clifton (Jesse & Kathy Clifton, REALTORS 907-699-6024)


Too much pandering in the name of free markets got us INTO this mess.  Mixing metaphors between regulation and law is not impressive.  We need our laws enforced but the creation of law itself is a form of regulation. There is no such thing as a society free from regulatory constraints and some form of management - unless anarchy is what you are after.   If you want a truly "free" society read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle."  I have a great deal of respect for you Lenn, but on this you are dead wrong.  Fortunately, the country is waking up and the right-wing is SOOOOOO gone this Nov.  GO OBAMA!!!!

02/15/2008 06:04 AM by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams Realty)


Ruthmarie.  Thanks for your thoughtful comments.  I would prefer anarchy to socialism with the government giving us what they believe is "good for us". 

The mortgage mess got out of hand due to over regulation, by the Fed, by the GSE perfidy and by the companies ignoring the guidelines that existed. 

I don't believe that the government can fix what they broke, the American people and the free market may be able to.  When government "fixes" things, they simply move money around, from less favored to more favored.  In this case, from the treasury, creating higher deficits to large voting blocks. 

I don't see "Market Economy" and "Managed Economy" as metaphors.  We have laws and that's a good thing, but laws need regulations and guidelines to work.  IMO, the entities that ignored the regulations and guidelines were not exhibiting any love of the market economy.  They are simply law breakers and opportunists.  Franklin Raines being the most despicable.  The guidelines promulgated for and by Fannie Mae were ignored because Fannie was busy covering their Fanny.

 

02/15/2008 06:41 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Jesse and Kathy.  Thanks.  Ditto your statement below.

"I say let the lenders fold, let the shareholder portfolios take a hit, let the CEO's trade their tailored suits for thrice worn prison shoes.  Perhaps then the real lessons of the power of a free market will be learned."

Lola.  Yes, the cartoon is mine originally done last June when the extent of the securitization of mortgages became known.  See: http://activerain.com/blogsview/122552/WALL-STREET-WANTS-TO

I believe that you are right.  We haven't begun to see the extent of the mess.

 

02/15/2008 06:47 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


See I think UNDER regulation and pandering to the business class created this mess.  Just as pandering to unions created problems in the 1970s.  (I was a kid in the 70s so my comments in that vein are not from personal experience but from listening to my parents and reading about it when I was older.)  To me laws equal an attempt to regulate the economy and it is merely a question of where the pendulum is swinging at the moment in time that determines who benefits and who suffers from the regulation.  That pendulum tends to miss its mark. One group gains the upper hand - generally because the public is fed up with how things were being done - and the pendulum swings in the other direction.  But we are rapidly getting back to the robber baron era and it needs to END before the middle and working classes are destroyed.

Regulation is everywhere - what we are arguing about is who is most severely impacted.  

This is a seminal election.  The pendulum will start to swing the other way.  In many ways I'm a typical moderate and my vote swung to the left 8 years ago - probably because i was awake and saw the writing on the wall.  I was middle class and watching my self and colleagues sink into poverty from simple greed and an inability  to REGULATE industry and FORCE it to do the right thing - not just the profitable thing.  The rest of America is waking up from their stupor and my main concern is the pendulum will swing too far the OTHER way.  But pushing things back to more regulation is looooong over due  

02/16/2008 04:28 AM by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams Realty)


Ruthmarie.  We'll see. 

I don't see anyone riding to the White House by class warfare.  If that worked, Dennis Kucinich or John Edwards would be on top now.  Clinton and Obama will no doubt slide into the "class" arguments in order to garner the blocks of voters that look to government to solve all problems and to keep the Soros money coming and attract perhaps some Chinese money.  Clinton knows where the Chinese money is hidding.   

I'm always curious about the term "working class".  It denigrates everything that Americans believe.  We believe that hard work and education will help individuals rise to a position of security and prosperity.  Yet, the "working class" argument tries to make those very hard working Americans believe that they have to become a "class", take control of the economy and strip the wealth of those who have worked hard and invested in themselves to accumulate wealth and security. 

It appears that to become successful and financially secure, one must either work hard, save and invest and enjoy the fruits of our labor, OR, band together as a "class", take the wealth from those who have it and parcel it out among their "working class". 

 

02/16/2008 06:41 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


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