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Mortgage Fraud- Why Your Sellers Should Not Talk To The Buyers Without Their Agent!

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Real Estate Agent with The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services 13253167-SA00

Sellers- This is why you have an agent. Agents- This is why you must instruct your sellers not to talk to the buyers!

Mortgage Fraud The agent called to make an appointment to show one of our listings. Our sellers were at home and happened to be home when the buyers came over with their agent. The buyers fell in love with the house. The agent tells us they will make an offer. After a few days we still don't have an offer from these buyers so Nestor calls the agent to get the feedback as to why they did not pursue their offer.

The buyers told their agent that they liked our sellers so much and did not want to hurt their feelings because they felt the pride that our sellers had for their home. The buyers were only qualified for a certain amount for a loan and our listing was well over that price.

My first question is: Why are you showing a house that is out of the price range of what your buyer is qualified to pay?

Nestor with his great communication skills tells the agent to just make the offer. If it offends the sellers than he will deal with that. The agent procures the offer and we start negotiations until we come to a meeting of the minds between the parties. The agent tells us her buyers are approved and we get the mortgage broker information to follow up.

Their lender tells us everything is fine. Then one evening our sellers get a call from the buyers. The buyers tell our sellers that they must come over to talk to them. The sellers allow them to come over. The buyers show up with no agent.

The buyers tell the sellers that their lender just told them that they can not do the contract the way that it is written. They want the sellers and them to rewrite the contract without the Realtors involved and do a second note under the table after closing. >HELLO! What is wrong with this picture!Mortgage Fraud

Now you must understand that the sellers just saw all their dreams of moving unraveling before their eyes, the time spent packing their boxes to accommodate a fast closing looks at first glance like such a waste of time. They are in no emotional state to make this decision. That is why they have AGENTS!

They called us straight away and they called their attorney who was going to do the closing. We told them that this is called Mortgage Fraud and we will have no part in it and neither should they. We spoke to their attorney and he said that as the closing agent he must testify that the only proceeds and the only deals are the ones on the HUD1 closing statement and that he knew we would not go along with this. He concurred that this is Mortgage Fraud!

Our sellers would in no way ever willingly or knowingly participate in mortgage fraud. They felt like something was wrong. They could feel this just stunk! Can you just imagine if they had participated in this deal? The sellers said what if they did this and after the closing, what type of assurance did they have that the buyers would even execute the second mortgage and if they stopped paying and the sellers tried to foreclose, can you see the conversation? NOT GOOD!

So back on the market goes our listing and the sellers will now tell any buyers that they must bring all their conversations through their agents. Mortgage Fraud is not acceptable!

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Comments(47)

Barbara-Jo Roberts Berberi, MA, PSA, TRC - Greater Clearwater Florida Residential Real Estate Professional
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
Palm Harbor, Dunedin, Clearwater, Safety Harbor
Sellers should never talk to buyers without the agent there - that is the best way to have a deal go sour -
Jan 30, 2008 01:33 AM
James Downing - Metro DC Houses Team REALTORS®, CRS, GRI, ABR,MRP, MilRes
Real Living | At Home - Washington, DC
When Looking to Buy or Sell - Make the Right Move

That is just crazy!  I always tell my sellers to talk a walk around the block during showings or grab a coffee at Starbucks.  But I can also see how folks trying to polite, would want to engage in friendly conversation.

Jan 30, 2008 02:24 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Katerina, I have a rule in my life: Don't put a round peg in a square whole (or is it the other way around?). When the broker said they couldn't qualify I think I might have let it go at that point. What is meant to be will be.

Bill Roberts

Jan 30, 2008 02:47 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate
Ok, thanks.
Jan 30, 2008 12:20 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Latonia Parks  

Latonia- Thanks for your comment and it is great that you are wanting to learn. Katerina 

Jan 30, 2008 12:36 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Jay Beckingham  

The lender did not do anything wrong. The lender turned down the loan. I would rather know why the agent was showing this house to them.Katerinaa 

Jan 30, 2008 01:38 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Matthew J Blum - MyFavoriteMortgage.net  

Matthew- I don't get it! A mortgage broker who can do anything! Not good!  

Jan 30, 2008 01:45 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Mike Norvell Sr., Mid-Florida Real Estate  

Mike- I guess not! What a shame. 

Jan 30, 2008 01:46 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Adam Waldman - Long Island Real Estate  

Adam- We are very glad they called us! And I am glad they had an ethical attorney. 

Jan 30, 2008 01:47 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Carole Provenzale Owner, Feng Shui Long Island

Carole- That was nice! Thanks for your confidence in us. 

Jan 30, 2008 01:48 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Sally Zatkoff    

Sally- I am at loss to how the lender let that one by. 

Jan 30, 2008 01:49 PM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

i'm sorry, i must have read this wrong.

the lender told them to rewrite the contract without the realtors. i would call that unethical at least.

the lender told them to write a silent second. that's fraudulent.

i'd call both of those wrong.

just one man's opinion.

Jan 30, 2008 08:55 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Jay Beckingham

Jay- No, the lender did not tell them to rewrite the contract,

no, the lender did not tell them to do a silent second.

The buyers took it upon themselves. When the buyers did this, their mortgage person was not even available. I wish I could tell you what the buyer does for a living so you then would know it was not the mortgage broker who put this in his head, but because of liable and sue happy people I will not disclose that at this time.

You are totally right, this is still wrong and unethical. But the mortgage broker's mistake was she did not further question the rep from the lender as to whether the second had to be within conforming limits or not. She is the person who told them the loan got turned down, and told us, nothing more, nothing less.

This was the buyers own decision and their own idea. 

Jan 31, 2008 12:49 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Jay Beckingham

Jay- I just re read my post and I see where the misunderstanding is, I am sorry, I did not make it clear in the paragraph:

 The buyers tell the sellers that their lender just told them that they can not do the contract the way that it is written. They want the sellers and them to rewrite the contract without the Realtors involved and do a second note under the table after closing. 

BAD GRAMMAR on my part! The word THEY should be The BUYERS. 

SORRY!  

Jan 31, 2008 12:52 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Don't you hate it when this happens!!! I'm glad your sellers have faith in you guys and did the right thing by calling you.

I had a realtor a few days ago who had made arrangements to show one of my owner occupied property. 2 hours after they were supposed to show my seller called to say they hadn't. I called the realtor who very casually said she didn't have time to take the buyers by since she had another appointment but that the buyer would be stopping by after dinner to see the house!!!! She didn't see anything wrong with just telling the buyers to show up 6 hours late, knock on the door and have the sellers show them the house. Needless to say I wasn't a happy camper.  OK I guess I'm off topic:)

Jan 31, 2008 09:36 AM
Deb Brooks
Brooks Prime Properties Wichita Falls Texas - Wichita Falls, TX
Kat, this stinks. What did the other agent have to say about this? My blood pressure is rising because of this. Were they also trying to get around their agents or was the second to be paid to you under the table? I realize this doesn't matter...it was all fraud. It's just mind boggling. Deb 
Feb 06, 2008 10:50 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Bryant Tutas, Broker-REALTOR(R) Tutas Towne Realty, Inc

Bryant- Join the club. We have agents that live in Ft Lauderdale and make appointments for their buyers to come see houses, about an hour away, but a lot of people move up here from there. Then the buyers come by themselves and say their agent will write up the offer! I now send a bill to agents who do that! You will get your fee  but I am going to get paid for doing your job. 

Feb 06, 2008 12:50 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Debra A. Brooks, Texas Waterfront Specialist

The other agent did not know what was going on. She was at the FAR convention. It is a dead deal now. I am glad the sellers told us.  

Feb 06, 2008 12:51 PM
Thomas E. Elder
Mortgage Broker Compliance Consultants - Forest Hill, MD
Founder, Mortgage Broker Compliance Consultants

Another one for the books.   Stay tuned for many more stries of fraud as desperation kick in.  

Thanks for the story. There is plenty of room in the market for those that do it right and as far as I can tell there will always be fraud in real estate as long as there is still money in it.  

Feb 06, 2008 03:22 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
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Tom Elder

Tom- Fraud is in all businesses, all walks of life, it has no preference of rich or poor. It has come to light much more in this mortgage melt down.Thanks for your comment. 

Feb 06, 2008 03:24 PM