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Standing Before The Bar / Why I Hate Applying For A Loan / Nothing Has Changed

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Services for Real Estate Pros with The Real Estate Investment Institute 1retiredsage

I was 21 and out of the Marines just ten days when I went to work for a small loan company, a week later I was making loan decisions affecting peoples lives. Just two weeks more and I was in the field making collection decisions that could literally destroy peoples lives. 14 months later, and not yet 23, I was now a bank loan officer with millions in authority! I sat in a large dark red leather chair, behind a dark cherry desk in an office paneled in rich cherry, with an impressively large 4 inches thick solid door!

Two large heavily padded leather side chairs sat across form my desk. Those chairs or rather how people reacted sitting them are what this is all about. When friends or colleagues stopped to talk they were comfortable and relaxed. I loved those chairs, switch the desk for an ottoman ad a good book and I'd have been in heaven!

When the chairman of the board brought people down and said "they need $23,000.00 would you please write it up" these people were relaxed. But, when our receptionist brought people in and they had to say "we need $5,000.00" you would have thought they were sitting on a bed of very sharp nails!

At first I couldn't believe it, these people were acting like my small loan clients had when sitting in little plastic chairs, talking about their desperation to a kid in an open room full of people. It didn't take long in this new setting to figure it out. I was a judge. These people felt like criminal defendants standing before the bar. That beautiful huge desk and the large chair behind it were as intimidating as the large raised "Bar" at the county court house. If the intimidating setting weren't enough, there sat a banker! Bankers have some common traits that are even more upsetting that the bank itself.

Bankers start young, out of collage in most professions you are aged before having the huge authority bankers used to have. Except for medicine no one gets as much of your personal information as a banker. Bankers have settled for a mediocre income with lots of security, they do not personally take chances. Instead of money bankers have their egos stroked, often causing a false sense of personal importance! Worst yet, I started under the "Old System," if we didn't like you, you didn't get the money!

It's now three decades later, the "Old System" died in 1972, banks haven't dominated the mortgage market since 1974 and have lost most other markets. "Loan Officers" no longer exist, "Loan Officers" use to make decisions, we decided wether or not you get the money, almost no one has that authority anymore. And yet, people still feel their being judged!

The idea of judgement exists because so many incompetent loan originators make their clients feel guilty. You, the client, don't understand you are no longer judged, you haven't been for the last thirty years. Today thanks to civile rights laws, you're not judged, you're weighted! Your credit history is put on the scale, it's nothing personal, you're assigned a number and treated accordingly. Just like your doctor's scale tells your weight.

The bad news is that credit scores are arbitrary. It's true that most people with credit problems have low credit scores, but it's not true that most people with low credit scores have credit problems. Life is arbitrary, my doctor's scale is set so that each pound contains 16 ounces I think 24 oz. would be just about right. The good news is that like my weight we can do something about bad numbers.

There's more good news, like clothes for the pleasingly plump, there's a loan program available for almost everyone. I pay slightly more for my close at the large and tall stores, than the skinny guys pay at Walmart. If you have low credit scores or other high risk factors, you'll pay a little more for the money from a non-conforming lender.

Is it fair? Yes! Under the "old system" the important thing was "who you knew." Under the current system the important thing is "who you are." I can change who I am, I like the system!

There are some things you can do to avoided that awkward feeling of being judged. First you can make sure your credit is as good as possible, you can determine who you are. Second, always start with a mortgage broker, brokers are paid on commission they get paid to get you the money not to judge you. Third, answer all questions, fully and honestly, but don't over embellish. Many a person has talked themselves out of the money. Fourth, understand there is a difference between discussing facts and condemnation "You didn't make two payments?" is acceptable. "You didn't make two payments! Is not! Don't let your originator condemn you, his job is to get you the money you qualify for. Lastly, you're the judge, is the originator worthy of your business?

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

©REII

 

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William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

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From my past: GRI 1975, FLI 1974, Catalyst from a client 1974 an agent that makes things happen, REII, The Real Estate Investment Institute 1995.

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Comments (7)

Mike Jones
SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) - Tucson, AZ
Mike Jones NMLS 223495

Semper Fi, Bill!  I really appreciate what you have to say in this post.

p.s.  I subscribe to your blog because you tell it like it is.

Mike in Tucson

Feb 04, 2008 06:42 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thank You Mike!

I enjoyed your phone call.

Bill

Feb 04, 2008 06:49 AM
Mike Jones
SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) - Tucson, AZ
Mike Jones NMLS 223495

Bill,

Thanks for writing this; I've featured you in this week's Mortgage Pro Week In Review--1/28/2008 Through 2/03/2008

Mike in Tucson

Feb 04, 2008 09:16 AM
Matthew Rosov
Amerisave Mortgage Corporation - Laurel, MD
Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist

Bill - thanks for the history.  Very interesting.

Though I understand the old system doesn't and shouldn't work - there are some things about it that should have been kept. 

Specifically under the new system is the arrogance of some borrowers thinking they should get what everyone else has been getting!

Feb 05, 2008 12:32 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Matthew,

Yes, there are some things that should have been kep! Things like common sense, authority, loyalty, concern, and compassion!

Common sense, the ability to logically interpret the information in front of me. We've lost this because it allowed discrimination. This has cost many people, but it pales in comparison to the people it has helped!

Authority, loan officers made their own deaccessions! I was not yet 23 when I started at the bank one Monday morning, the Board of Directors meet Thursday evening, Friday morning I was called in and told I had been granted "Portfolio loan Authority" in all lines accept mortgages. Mortgages required two "corporate officers" I would not become a corporate officer for another two or three months. What it meant was that I could loan up to $5,000,000.00 with just my signature, not even the Chairman could exceed Portfolio Limits. No one has Authority now.

Loyalty, concern, and compassion, if you were a loyaly Bank customer we took care of you as long as you told the truth! I went on a collection call one night that broke my hart, I extended all of the customers loans for a $20.00 fee, but I took what I believed to be their last $20.00, I then went to the local market and bought $200.00 worth of food. The next morning I turned in the recite on my expense account, I waited nervously all day, shortly after closing (3:00 PM) the Chairmen and Ex. VP came and sat down in my office. They handed me my check and suggested that I write up a policy statement on when we should do it again. We gave away a lot of food in the next three months, then the nearly three year long strike was settled and those workers became some of our best customers. The Bank was loyal to their customers and their employees. That sort of thing is gone, again because of discrimination!

Yes it was a better time! That is, if your Banker liked you! Today we've lost a lot, but you don't have to worry about any one likeing you, today is better!

I'm sorry to take issue with you and I hope you were being sarcastic, but : "Specifically under the new system is the arrogance of some borrowers thinking they should get what everyone else has been getting!" Is offensive! Very offensive!!!!!!

Arrogance is anyone thinking "some borrowers" shouldn't be allowed to try!

Arrogance is mistaking equal opportunity with equality of out come and limiting people so they can't lose!

There are two schools of thought; thoes who would buy your vote by giving you someone else's fish, and those that would make sure you knew where to get a line and a hook!

Bill

Feb 05, 2008 04:11 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Bill, I found your history very interesting. It explains a lot.

Bill Roberts

Feb 13, 2008 01:08 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Bill R,

Thank you, I think.

Bill

Feb 13, 2008 03:55 PM