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Stigmatized Homes- Full Disclosure is So Important

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Real Estate Agent with Berkshire Hathaway California Realty DRE #01492138

Stigmatized Homes- Full Disclosure is So Important

 

First of all what is a “Stigmatized Home”? It is a home that something horrendous has occurred in. Whether it was a murder, a rape, a vicious assault, a serial killer lived there, any death (natural or not) or perhaps rumors of a ghost roaming the hallways for the past 50 years. But it is a home with a past and usually the neighbors know about the home’s history and in some cases the tour buses even drive by and talk about the tales. Perhaps it is not something bad but rather a celebrity lived here once. For example if Elvis Presley once owned the home but that was 60 years ago and now the hoards of tour buses drive by daily. Buses stop with tourist and talk over a loud speaker 12 hours a day and disturb your peaceful neighborhood. Would you want to know this before buying the house? Probably so!

 

Some states have laws on the books covering stigmatized homes and some do not. As real estate agents, it is our duty to disclose a stigmatized property or we might be brought up in a law suit later for failure to disclose. The laws in place has time limits on them like California has a 3 year limit but if I was selling a home and all the neighbors knew the horrible history of a house, I would make sure the seller disclosed it. My broker always told me, if the neighbors know, they will be sure to tell the buyer when they move it.

And what if the home is haunted?  Remember the “Amityville Horror” house? Do we believe in such tales? Maybe or maybe not but the buyers should be able to make the decision before buying the home.

 

Stigmatized Homes- Full Disclosure is So ImportantThere is a case in Pennsylvania where there is no law regarding stigmatized properties and after the buyer purchased her home, she found out from the neighbors about a murder-suicide in the home the year before. She sued the agent and broker who failed to disclosure but lost in Superior Court. She appealed and the State appeals court affirmed the judge’s ruling. He attorney has now filed an action in the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. As an attorney or broker do you want this going on for many years against your good name? Of course, in states where it is not mandated to disclose, it is the broker’s decision and an agent must follow the broker’s rules. Wheter you win or lose in court, it can be very stressful to be involved in a lawsuit for many years?

 

Frankly, you follow the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If I was buying a home, I would sure want to know if it was stigmatized, wouldn’t you. It is rather ironic that a seller must disclose to a buyer a repaired light fixture or broken pipe but not disclose a murder-suicide.

 

In California, there are mandated full disclosure laws but not all states have these laws. Does your state have these laws? Do you think it is important to disclose stigmatized homes to potential buyers? Here is a link to read about 19 stigmatized homes across the nation. Click here.

 

Kristin Hamilton  DRE #014092138 Keller Williams Realty -I sell real estate in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties commonly called the Inland Empire. I am a trained and experienced Short Sale agent. If you are looking for a professional and experienced agent, I am just a click away. Google me at Kristin Hamilton-Real Estate Agent. Homeowners and Buyers both will find my services top notch and successful. Call me to sell your home; both traditional and short sales.

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Amanda Christiansen
Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843 - Fort Wayne, IN
Christiansen Group Realty

That's some pretty serious stuff.  I once showed a home to two different buyers and had an uneasy feeling both times. A few months later there was a double murder/suicide in that home.  It was all over the news and the poor listing agent tried his best to sell it, but it's still for sale a year later.  

Jan 31, 2013 10:15 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Kristin, this is an example where it is imperative for an agent to know their state laws about stigmatized property disclosure. What you think is the right thing to do may backfire on the agent. Know the law!

Jan 31, 2013 10:17 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Kristin:  Yes, disclose, disclose, disclose.  I wonder if a home that was formerly lived in by a Realtor would be considered a "stigmatized home?"  Ya know, those Realtors can be pretty scary.

Jan 31, 2013 11:37 PM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Michelle,

That is so true; they just want to feel like the sellers are telling them everything. Sellers cannot remember every little detail but the major things are important; flooding, major roof leaks, water heater not working, infestation, mold renovation. I think sellers mostly tell the truth but may have forgotten a few of the little details.

Feb 01, 2013 12:18 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

The Christensen Team,

Well it is a good thing the Realtor wasn't there at the time or he might be dead too. Yikes, isn't it wierd how close you come to something and how odd you had a creepy feeling. Gives me goosebumps just reading that. Hopefully someone will buy the house soon.

Feb 01, 2013 12:22 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Michael,

I totally agree with you but I think in states where the agents are forbidden from disclosing, it is not ethical and the laws should change. They usually do enact laws after a big lawsuit with lots of publicity. I suspect Pennsylvania will be making some soon. Have a great weekend.

Feb 01, 2013 12:25 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Karen Anne,

You are so funny! If the home was lived in by a Realtor, they sure couldn't use the excuse "Oh I didn't know".

Feb 01, 2013 12:27 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker

What is interesting is that this home was bought in 2007- at the height of the frenzy.  How much value was lost?  If she had made $100,000 on the house, would she be suing?  ALso, there was a subsequent buyer to this home, who then sold it to the current homeowner.  When does liability end?

Feb 01, 2013 04:13 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Gary,

I think maybe the personal issues are involved more than the price or equity. I didn't go into details but she brought her family here after her husband died. She wanted a new start for herself and her kids and the first thing that happens at Halloween is kids come over and mention the murder. This of course was very upsetting. I think the sellers should have disclosed it and she was from out of the area and she didn't know the gossip in the town but I am sure her real estate agent did.

Feb 01, 2013 04:24 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

Great post on this issue.  There are plenty of these homes around Silicon Valley.  My policy has always been "Disclosure anything you know about the history of the property".  There is no such thing as over-disclosure.

Feb 01, 2013 04:39 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the support. It seems most who have responded feel it is important to disclose. I do not think anyone wants to be involved in a lawsuit. Have a great Friday.

Feb 01, 2013 05:35 AM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

When I bought my home a year ago the selling agent was hesitant when he disclosed the cemetary on the property.  He was quite relieved when I LOVED the idea of owning my own cemetary with stones in it from the early 1800's.  I guess he had some bad reactions in previous showings.  LOL!

Feb 04, 2013 06:07 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Sharon,

 I think it would be lovely to own a historical property that had a cemetery on it with historical stones of loved ones who had passed on. We are all going to go someday and it like a special piece of history. Thanks for sharing such a lovely story Sharon. I can see where the previous owner might have been scared of your reaction. Have a Happy Monday.

Feb 04, 2013 07:26 AM
Charles Stallions Property Manager
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pace, FL
Pensacola, Pace & Gulf Breeze Property Management

Disclosure should be the law of the land and just the right thing to do

Feb 15, 2013 01:07 PM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Charles,

Yes you are so right; we should always do the right thing and that is to be honest with buyers who are making their big purchase. We want them to be happy in their new home and not feel they were cheated.

Feb 16, 2013 01:10 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Charles:  Not all states simply treat full disclosure as "just the right thing to do."  I agree, it should be the law of the land, and in Texas... it IS the law... of the state.  There is a five-page Seller's Disclosure that MUST be given to the buyer and reception acknowledged at time of writing the initial contract.  Before, actually.  Some offices have place even more importance on that Seller's Disclosure, and increased its length from five to seven pages.

Full Disclosure is not simply the right thing to do in Texas... it's the Law.

Feb 16, 2013 01:16 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Karen Anne,

We have many disclosures in California that deal with stigmatized properties. One form even asks the questioh,

"Has anyone died in this home in the past 3 years?"

 So I suppose if you wanted to not disclose that a person had died 3 1/2 years ago, you might be legally right until it came before a court and the judge found you were evading the subject of something bad that had occured. Because we all know the neighbors will tell anything bad that has occurred so why not just be honest and be able to sleep at night. Courts do not take fondly of people who try to stretch the truth and it usually goes bad for them.

I am glad to know Texas has good disclosure laws and supporting forms dealing with real estate. I am always surprised when I read about a state who has nothing and expects their Realtors to not disclose. What about the NAR Code of Ethics we all agree to?

Feb 16, 2013 02:18 AM
Anonymous
Bobi

How can I find out what the State of New Hampshire laws are on Stigmatized Property disclosure(s)?

Sep 14, 2015 05:12 AM
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Kristin Hamilton CA REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway California Realty - Beaumont, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

According to National Association of Realtors (NAR),  in New Hampshire, a real estate only has to disclose truthful information if the buyer ask her/him if a death has occured on the property.

Sep 14, 2015 02:08 PM
Anonymous
Bobi

Thank you Kristin Hamilton. What about properties that had previous meth labs, etc? I know some states (not sure about New Hampshire) have to disclose this because of the hazardous material that may still be in/around the property.
Also, if the previous owner died of AIDS/HIV is it correct that we can only say the previous owner died (if we are asked) but we can not tell them that they died from AIDS/HIV as it is a protected class (disability)??? I'm trying to understand as much about this as possible and appreciate your guidance.

Sep 15, 2015 12:02 AM
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