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Fake Auctions?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with AuctionFirst

Do you consider reserve auctions to be "fake" auctions?  I read a blog today and the author commented that he though reserve auctions were fake auctions to him; not really an auction if there's a reserve.

A common dictionary defintion for "Auction" is the sale of property to the highest bidder. A common industry defintion for a real estate auction is the firm sale of real property by competitive bidding.  In my experience, 80% of reserve auctions sell to the highest bidder, even if under the reserve because the seller was willing to take the high bid.

What is your opinion and why? Do you think reserve auctions are good or bad?  Are you as likely to bid on a property that has a reserve as you are for a property with no reserve?

Linda
www.AuctionFirst.com

Barbara Rissmiller
Tucson, AZ

I wouldn't say reserve auctions are fake but I wouldn't bid on an auction if the reserve price was not disclosed.  

Feb 03, 2008 01:20 PM
Linda Mardi
AuctionFirst - Austin, TX

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for your post. Can you elaborate on why you would not bid if the reserve is not disclosed? Sometimes we won't disclose the reserve because we really don't know if it's too high or not and don't want to scare buyers away. If the reserve was too high; often we see the sellers still accept the high bid, even if under their reserve. I've seen it happen a lot. What do you think?

Thanks,
Linda

Feb 03, 2008 01:23 PM
Endea Thibodeaux
Tarver Realty Group - Washington, DC
CLHMS, RECS

Reserve auctions are necessary in some cases so how is that fake?

I have been seeing a competitor lately advertising an absolute auction after $155,000.00.

Go figure?

Feb 03, 2008 01:35 PM
Linda Mardi
AuctionFirst - Austin, TX

Hi Endea,

I agree with you that reserve auctions are necessary in some cases - but shouldn't be discounted by bidders because the reserve is confidential. Absolution auctions mean selling to the highest bidder regardless of price. Advertising the word "Absolute" has specific legislative meaning; abuse of the word could land someone into hot water. My take on "absolute auction after $XYZ" is a misrepresentation of the word. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks,
Linda

Feb 03, 2008 01:41 PM
Rosario Lewis
DDR Realty - Newburgh, NY
GRI, SRES - DDR Realty - Orange County, NY
Reserve auctions are real, of course, but I can see how they could be psychologically less attractive for people looking for a steal.
Feb 03, 2008 02:08 PM
Linda Mardi
AuctionFirst - Austin, TX

Thanks for your comment Rosario. Guess I've seen enough reserve auctions to know that buyers could even get a "steal" but they just have to show up. Sellers are most ready for closure on auction day.

Linda

Feb 04, 2008 01:14 PM
Endea Thibodeaux
Lanham, MD
Solar Energy Consultant, CDPE, CLHMS

Hi Linda,

The company that does that holds the property open 90 minutes before Auction and they really don't sell a lot on auction day.  I believe you have better auctions when you hold properties open 2 or more times. Buyers will bid when they feel comfortable and have time to preview the property prior to the auction not just auction day.

I think the absolute after $____ is just a gimmick because they need to sale these properties.

It makes a good blog discussion any how.

I think I'll write about it!

Feb 12, 2008 01:32 PM
Linda Mardi
AuctionFirst - Austin, TX

Hi Endea,

On the aspect of how often and when do you have the property available for previews - it's an interesting discussion. We've tried many different ways for our auction properties. And there really is no rule of thumb because so much depends on the property. Realize that every auction company's goals is to get qualified bidders and the most bidders possible to participate in the auction. It's super important to have a positive enviornment on auction day with it feeling like the place you really want to be because it's fun, edgy and surprising. It's not a correct statement that those companies that hold the property open only for 90 minutes prior to the auction don't sell a lot. In fact, there's good reason for this approach. Usually, the truly interested and qualified buyers are going to show up for that 90 mintues.  Buyers are used to being able to conduct the transaction on their own time. However with an auction, it's all about seller's timeline. We've found that holding more previews over a longer time has in fact hurt the auction rather than helped it. I was a non-believer until I ramped up my own statistics.  I know it may seem unbelieveable that 90 minutes prior to the auction is adequate, but it's sometimes an awesome strategy. To have many people going thru a property at one time, inspectors crawling over each other, creates part of the auction enviornment that makes these successful.

As to "absolute after $" - that is probably an illegal / misleading advertisement as I'd mentioned earlier.  Love the idea of a discussion on it.

Again, thanks for your comment post.

Feb 16, 2008 12:13 AM
Lorraine or Loretta Kratz
Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions. - San Marcos, CA
Certified Negotiation Consultants

Hello Barbara;

I often think that traditional listing in real estate are reserve auctions. The seller starts out hight and waits for the right bidder to come along to sell. It is not done in an open forum manner like a advertise auction. Here in California a reserve auction is not very popular, the minimum bid with a opening is and many times the seller has a reserve on it and has the right to sell to the highest bidder if the reserve is not met.

 

Feb 27, 2008 05:53 AM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

 

As a real estate auctioneer, I am surprised that anyone would be surprised that auctions are subject to seller confirmation. Even on the courthouse step in a legal foreclosure, the seller (lien-holder) will bid the amount of the lien.

As far as publishing the reserve price, I can tell you that we have sold MANY properties below the reserve set by the seller. And we CANNOT, by law, offer a property absolute if there are any liens on the property. So how is that FAKE? Liens are public records, look em up and odds are, if you add em up you'll be close to the reserve price!

Mar 02, 2008 12:12 AM