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I'm not here to win a popularity contest.  If so I probably would not be posting this blog.  But I may be opening a bag of beans.

 But I want to take a minute and think about the choices I have made and I have seen others make.  Sometimes the choices have desirable effects and sometimes not. 

The sub-prime mortgage crisis that's been growing since early last summer is one of those times when the effect of those choices is not what one would want.

Democrats in the House of Representatives managed to get included in the package what amounts to a bailout of individuals who made some extremely bad business choices and footing the bill would be every single U.S. taxpayer.

And as part of the stimulus, which has already passed the House, homeowners would be able to seek the protection of the Federal Housing Administration for vastly more expensive homes than before.  One provision of the bill would raise the limit on FHA mortgages from $362,790 to as much as $729,750 in expensive housing markets, allowing tens of thousands of mortgage holders to refinance int federally insured (read that as taxpayer-backed) loans.  It would raise the cap on loans the quasi-governmental financial institutions Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae can purchase from $417,000 to $729,750. 

I'll call this part of the stimulus package a taxpayer bailout of people who made some extremely bad choices fraught with tremendous risk.  What do we learn?  I think this is poor policy that sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Now, the teaser rates offered in the last couple of years have begun to expire and the new monthly payments are starting to kick in.  No surprisingly, a great many people are falling behind in their payments.

Last fall, many of the major lenders in the sub-prime market, announced guidelines that would allow up to as many as 400,000 of the sub-prime borrowers to have their rates frozen for a five-year period.  Since then many major banks have announced quarterly losses, their share prices have tumbled with stockholders paying a hefty tab for these mistakes.

The Federal Reserve has cut rates twice in the last several days in an effort to inject more liquidity into the markets.

As in Las Vegas, buyers rolled the dice when they bit off more than they knew they could afford , in attempts to immediately buy into the so-called American dream of the McMansion on the quarter-acre lot with two BMWs in the drive.  Like the majority of gambles, they lost;  but in Las Vegas, no one bails out the losers.  Unfortunately, it looks like taxpayers won't be so lucky in the sub-prime mess.

Back in the late 80's, there was a similar financial crisis involving the savings & loan industry that had its roots in speculative behavior in the real estate market.  Washington stepped into bail out the industry with taxpayers money.

What what the financial industry & consumers learned is that if we make a big enough mistake the feds will step up and clean up the mess and we will have no consequences.

Now nearly 20 years later are we not conveying the same message to people caught in in the sub-prime crunch?  I don't think this is the lesson we should be learning from this. JMHO.

 

 

Nannette Turner Saunders, Associate Broker

Short Sales Coordinator

Keller Williams Realty

1709 Laskin Road

Virginia Beach Va

 

60 Comments on Bailing out Buyers Who Made Bad Choices

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Everyone thought I was crazy because for the last ten years I've been saying this would happen again. Shame on the government for letting banks offer these types of loans. Shame on the consumers for buying into it.

7:33am • #1
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Good thoughts, Nannette. And, I love the way you use pictures in this post. Is there a certain place you find the pictures?
7:36am • #2
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I don't think it's the government's job to bail them out. I feel that it helps in the short run, but hurts us all in the long run.

7:36am • #3
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I agree Mary and I think this is the one thing that really pisses me off.  I don't use that word often but I can't think of another word to describe how I really feel about this matter.
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I agree that we shouldn't bail out the losers.  Most of the losers are speculators who put tenants in their losing purchases and then the tenants are the ones getting kicked to the curb.  If we looked at the foreclosures and divided them from an owner occupied vs non owner occupied standpoint, we would see a normal number of foreclosures with owner occupies.  The investers :cough cough: I mean speculators are seeing themselves lose on their "quick flips" and letting them go back to the bank.

As far as mcmansions on quarter acre lots here in Vegas, LOL!  Rare find.  Most of these are patio or courtyard homes around 1500 square feet on a 2000 or 3000 square foot lot.  Bought for a quarter of a million.

7:37am • #5
Thank you for the blog.  Its good to hear the view points of people who truly care. I hope 2008 is a great year for you.  Lu
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Nannette:  Don't worry about opening a can of beans--this is a very hot topic right now and the debate that you receive should be very interesting!  I think that the government is creating the perverbial snowball effect with this one--I feel that a large portion of these are investors who's eyes were bigger than their pockets and they felt that they could 'scam' the system and win BIG!  It was simply a gamble for them and THEY lost, no US!  I really don't think that we should bail them out--what lesson are they learning and what lesson are we teaching the next generation.  I'll tell you:  Get the biggest house you can get and if you lose your job or the rates go up on your ARM (and it's okay to get one of those also!), then don't worry, we'll bail you out!

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If we follow you logic to the end then the banks that made bad loans should go under too. Maybe we should all put our money in mattresses. Oh wait a minute we have done that already. The point is you pay, I pay. Whether we bail these guys out or not we pay. The fed rate cut against deficit spending devalues the currency and we pay for imported goods and services at a higher rate. The rate cut is a bail out of the big guys. As far as regular folks are concerned giving relief to people who are making their payments and are caught up in a predatory lending mess is not a bail out. If they are making their payments then where is the bailout. I do agree with you about bailouts. The bad lenders, banks, and brokerage houses that are sucking wind right now should in no way shape or form get one dime. But get ready to put your money in a mattress
8:03am • #8

Lender Error: Did lenders really believe that borrowers could pay back those loans after the teaser rates escalated to 11% or more? That is the real question.

Borrowers were banking on increased home prices that would allow for a refinance or a home sale that generated a huge profit. The market forces, however, pushed prices down. As a consequence, foreclosures started snowballing.

In my opinion, Lenders are ultimately to blame. They were handing out loans without much discretion.

8:12am • #9
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Al - thanks for the comment!

Renee- this is a great opportunity for REAL investors!

Lu- Thanks!

Debe - I'm not worried.  Thanks for letting me vent.  Great insight about the next generation!

Charlie- although I don't agree with everything you said, I do agree I need a new mattress and a pillow to cry on.

8:14am • #10
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Stephan- I agree, I'll be the 1st to admit that I enjoyed the boom and so did my bank account, however, all the time I shook my head knowing this was going to bite us in the arse.  I tried to educate my buyers during this time, some listened some did not.
8:42am • #11
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Nannette if you remember the feds did not bail out the home owners. They closed Savings and Loans and auctioned off the properties. They did cover the people that would have lost their savings by using FDIC.
8:55am • #12
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James that is right. Many folks made good use of those auctioned properties, my father one of them, and made a killing!  Thanks for the reminder
9:04am • #13
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Freezing rates certainly has litte effect on the Psyche for people with mortgages $100,000+ more then what their home is worth today. (The banks would have been announcing major quarterly losses even without the rate freezes.) Also, correct me if I am wrong but the fiasco of the late 80's was created by a change in the 1986 tax codes.
10:09am • #14

Go Nannette...Reagan said it best:

"I'm sure everyone feels sorry for the individual who has fallen by the wayside or who can't keep up in our competitive society, but my own compassion goes beyond that to the millions of unsung men and women who get up every morning, send the kids to school, go to work, try and keep up the payments on their house, pay exorbitant taxes to make possible compassion for the less fortunate, and as a result have to sacrifice many of their own desires and dreams and hopes. Government owes them something better than always finding a new way to make them share the fruit of their toils with others."

 

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I don't know why the government is getting involved at all now, except to try and keep us from being in a worse recession.  If they were going to get involved at all, it should have been on the front end, before banks and other lenders gave out their money so easily to people who really should not have been able to get it. 
10:48am • #16
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Thank you, Nanette, you are right.

The recent drops in interest rates will help those with short term problems get resituated.  Those with long term problems should not stay in properties they can not afford, period.  Jumping limits from $362,790 and $417,000 to $729,750, to 'spread the burden to the rest of us,' is just unfair & irresponsible.  Folks in these situations need to be responsible for their bad choices (the lenders and the borrowers). 

Paul is correct in his comment just prior to mine.  Most of the S&L disasters in the late 80's were initiated by the Tax Reform Act of 1986, where the government instituted a serious change in the Depreciation on Income Properties, that was made RETROACTIVE!  That is, investors who had already purchased property saw their depreciation schedule significantly reduced, their cashflow models were thrown into the red, and there was nothing they could about it.  Income Property Values dropped (no, they weren't 'overappraised,'  in the first place, generally speaking). Strapped owners had to wait out 'the bleeding,' or die from it.

10:55am • #17

Seems to me that the Federal government has been deregulating the finance & banking industry over the years until anything went. Well ... it went.

I also believe that many, many many consumers are financially ignorant. Some of it has to do with our education system. Some of it has to do with laziness and a sense of entitlement. Some of it has to do with our consumer-oriented society ... buy now, pay later.

Having said all that, I believe a bailout is necessary, if only to protect those of us who have been responsible stewards of our own financial affairs. 

 

 

10:56am • #18

Nanette: 

Government policies created this situation and now they want to do more of what caused the problem in the first place!  How nuts is that?  If history has taught us anything, it's that government intervention always creates more problems than it solves.  From Herbert Hoover to FDR to  Richard Nixon, the lesson should be clear...the best thing the government can do is to step back and let the ship right itself.

Great post.

Regards,

Scott Perry

11:02am • #19
I think the bailout will hurt us all in the end.  I am not about to take any heat from homebuyers poor choices.  The only thing home-buyers care about is how much is the monthly payment and can I afford it. 
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Nannette,

Thanks for your blog!  I appreciate this opportunity to speak on this topic.  My views may not also be popular, but they are honest and real.

This crisis we now experience started more than 20 years ago.  A fellow by the name of Michael Milken went to prison for junk bonds.  To any bond trader, a subprime mortgage is considered a junk bond.  Investors took the concept behind Mr. Milken's strategy and moved it to residential lending and sold the product to the general public.  This was especially appealing to many homeowners in a spiraling real estate market from 1998 - early 2006.  

Truth be told most of the economic growth in the United States from 2000 - 2008 has come as a result of equity stripping.  People using their home as an ATM machine to pull out cash to afford the American Dream.  Stripping equity that would usually be used in one's aging years to keep their property in good repair and as a hedge to afford a quality standard of life.

These loans were written with huge upfront and back-end fees and folks gobbled them up like a hobo would gobble up as ham sandwich.  Many were sold a pipe dream by a viscous Loan Originator.  Others were playing the game to keep a low payment and live an extravagant life style.

Well as we know the bubble has burst and those loans that were designed to be band-aid now need major surgery.  What is done in the dark will eventually come to life?

 

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Neal- thanks for being my cheerleader!  You'd look kinda cute in a uniform. he he he.
11:38am • #22

I agree its not the governments job to bail out people who were financially irresponsible.  But they do need to go after lenders, investors and others who broke the rules. 

 

 

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Good post nanette, very intersting. THanks for sharing
12:03pm • #25

I agree with a lot of the spirit of what you have said, however, changing FHA to allow more people to refinance or purchase using the FHA program in higher cost areas is NOT a bailout by any means. 

FHA mortgage insurance is self-financed.  Every FHA mortgage holder pays mortgage insurance, if there is a FHA foreclosure it, the money to pay the lender comes out of this money.  Also, understand that mortgage insurance does not nearly cover the full loss of the lender, but only a percentage of it.  FHA mortgage insurance takes in more money than it pays out, and if the loan level limits are raised, people with higher priced properties will be paying more per month in mortgage insurance.  It makes money, if it didn't there would be a lot less private-sector mortgage insurance companies.

FHA was created in the 1930's to assist in the foreclosure crisis of that decade.  The whole spirit of the FHA mortgage insurance program is to help people buy and KEEP their houses when they would otherwise be unable to. 

The problems that this crisis going to cause in our economy are only going to multiply if these home owners are unable to refinance and end up in foreclosure.  By NOT revamping the FHA guidelines, we are only shooting ourselves in the foot.

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What an awesome post. I really appreciate your perspective. I completely agree. I hope that the predatory lenders are sought out and punished for their part in all of this as well...
12:14pm • #27
Check out John Vogel on Inman News. http://www.wellcomemat.com/video/FE98914748  I found it interesting and it fits in with you informative discussion.
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Thanks for posting this! A good topic to get rolling on A/R.
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Nannettee, I do have to agree as well. While I do appreciate the cuts in rates and think that will help some if they can refinance, I do not agree with a bailout. They should have known what they were getting into (I do acknowledge that some probably didn't due to some offices that are now closed) and should have sought out help when it started getting rough. It is not the governments job to use my money to bail out the irresponsible. However, let me add, I do think there could be some provisions who are in this place due to no fault of thier own such a injury, medical, or something along that line, but even still then we need to be careful that this doesn't become another social program.
12:44pm • #30
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It is just too tempting for the politicians not to jump in and appear to be helping the voters !  Let the market work as it normally does.
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I have been blogging about the bail-out prospects for a few months.  It is a bad idea.  Popular, but that does no make it less bad.   p
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Nanette, big brother at work. It is scary isn't it? I remember that 1980 bail out and here we go again.
1:33pm • #33

I for one am happy to hear that jumbo's may be increased to the mid-700K figure. My market, as well as a huge chunk of Eastern Massachusetts, will benefit from this. 

As far as ARM's and the challenges that folks are having, there seems to be a dividing line. Speculators and flippers who are losing out should not be bailed out. I also believe that many of the people who got shaky sub-prime loans should not be bailed out either. Call me crazy, but I believe that if you are able to get a mortgage, you should have the fine print explained. The mortgage companies and the attorneys that represent the lender are the big culprits here. I do feel that there are some people who were naive and gullible and now are going to lose their shelter.

I don't really get why you are singling out the Democrats on this one. The Republicans are in the pockets of the big banks and credit card companies. The financial firms knew this train wreck was coming when they got Congress to pass and the president to sign the dramatic bankruptcy laws a few years back. 

I don't feel anyone should get bailed out.

   

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I think the government should stay out of this and this is a great time for Real investors not the want to be's. Many of whom are in trouble today.

3:25pm • #35

Shame on the unprofessional mortgage brokers who sell the subprime loans w/o proper disclosure, w/o proper consumer education, and w/o realizing the effect of their action.

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Ok, I went out showed a few properties, sold a house and I tune in to twenty comments.  Ya'll have been busy.  That is okay, I'll be writing an essay, ya'll are just going to have to be patient here, I'll take ya one at a time...

Paul- Great comment!

Emily- Thanks for comment

Laurie- Thanks for clarifying the S & L disaster

NOBODY- Did not have the courtesy to sign your name, I am not going to comment .

Scott Perry- Thanks and I like your comment- let the ship right itself.

Branson - Surprising that is how folks think!

Ntsike- I appreciate your honesty & insight

Chris- What should we do with the rule breakers?

Ann - Thanks

Marie-you're welcome and thanks for the comment

Patti - I appreciate your prospective

Cherimie - What should we do with the predatory lenders - feed them to congress?

Louise- Thanks

Audry- Thanks for the comment

Stephan- I appreciate the rate cuts too.  But I don't believe in socialism

Bill - Let the cookie crumble and the cards fall where they may.  The gov't has done enough, thank you very much

Lane - It's not a popularity contest for me.  It is about what is best for the whole.

Marchel - Yes I think you may be right and I hope you are wrong.

Scott Smith:  I appreciate a good debate and I am gld you commented bringing up the points you did.  Thanks

 

4:17pm • #37
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Richard- Ditto.

Michelle- I blame the consumer as much as I blame the lenders, as it takes two to tangle.  I for one tried to tell consumers and some listened some did not.

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Nanette, Borrowers with adjustable rate mortgages can just let them adjust and keep on paying. Rates have dropped so much that this is not an issue unless there is ANOTHER reason they cannot pay (they may want to refinance, however to lock in the rate) Point: no bailout needed for those that took teaser rates. They are no longer teaser rates, they are just the rate.

I think we can all safely say the guidelines were too loose and that loans granted to people with bad credit (subprime) shouldn't have been done. Those folks didn't pay their bills before, and they aren't making house payments now.  (After 25 years in the finance world my experience is that poor credit borrowers are difficult to reform)

Raising limits on conforming loans will HELP, not HURT. It is not any kind a bailout, it is a way to stimulate the economy, and it will definately do that. People with higher loan amounts have been penalized harshly by paying much higher rates for "jumbo money" (loans over $417k). This has severly hurt areas where entry level homes are $600k and above. It is already hard enough to pay that for a house, then add on the surcharge for a jumbo loan and you have a market that has all but died.

By the way, this increase only impacts certain high cost areas, not the entire county.

How is this a "a taxpayer bailout of people who made some extremely bad choices fraught with tremendous risk."? Do you actually think people who can't afford the house they have can refinance into a bigger loan? Please. Increasing the conforming limit has nothing to do with people who are in trouble with their loans, or wanted 2 BMW's in the driveway. You are way off base here.

I do not agree with bailouts and have said this many times. Please stop confusing bailout and stimulus. They are 2 different things.

 

 

 

 

5:01pm • #39
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Janet - I certainly appreciate your professional opinion.  The market is different every where and how folks will react to any change will be different as well.  The rate drop is only temporary as it is fluid and I don't think you can count on that saving anyone in trouble.  I think you are wrong to say I am way off base but I appreciate your honest opinion.  But we both don't like the idea of bailouts and there I can find some common ground.  Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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Having watched our real estate market go through ups and downs and seen.  I'm torn with the bailouts.  There are some folks who have a geninue reason for not being able to make their house payments due to medical bills or other real issues.  Those who got in over their heads are not all the innocent victims of sub-prime mortgages with escalating payments.  I'm sure this doesn't make me popular either.  I think it is a bad precident and the next time the real estate market makes a correction what will the government have to do then?
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Janet, I agree with you and the others who have commented that tax payers should not bail out people who made bad investment decisions. Based on information I have read and heard, the government is getting involved to protect the banks, the companies that packaged these investments, and the investors; not to save the "homeowners who are losing their home".  BTW, if the buyers got 100+%  mortgages , what have they lost? 

Another aspect, from the media... that mortgage companies have stretched their guidelines in response of the government/congress pushing them to make housing affordable to all.  This is a poor lesson in individual responsibility.  Thanks for bringing this up.

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Cindy I don't' think the bailout is at all meant for the medical bills or genuine reasons for not being able to make the payment.  I believe the intention is to "help" with the rising interest rates of the ARMS and to protect the institutions.  The "innocent" homeowners with ARMS that have medical bills and such are a very small percentage of the problem.  Thank you for taking the time to comment.

Simone I appreciate your comment.  I really am glad you stopped by to share.

This has been a very informative debate of which I have throughly enjoyed.  I really appreciate all that have contributed.  And I look forward to learning more as others share more.

8:53pm • #43
How about all the greedy real estate agents who jammed those people into those home and lined their pockets on those deals.  Nobody who sells real estate is in any position to point the finger at anyone, no one does less and is paid more.
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9:18pm • #44

Good post, thanks for sharing. One must remember who's money they are lending out. It's mine, yours, your parents (that is if you have any invested in the market, or any type of SIV's). And what about all the employees that work for the builders? Most of the big builders stock is down three fold, goodbye 401K. Everyone is losing money.

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I really don't know what should be done with this mess. If you don't bail out anyone, those who were lied to and frauded have to pay for someone else's mistake. If you do bail everyone out, people that were knowingly doing this, would get saved. It's a hard choice to make. 
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Andy Sure appreciate your comment.  I am sure there were agents out there taking advantage of others. It happens in every industry.  But just because of that, do ALL agents have to be categorized as greedy?  I for one was there to advise my clients, and explained over and over and went out of my way to protect them from such.  Please have the decency to be open minded and don't put us all in one pile.  One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch baby.

Steven You are right!  It is like an avalanche of problems

Christy It seemed like an easy choice back then to the buyers, some of them took the easier softer route and I'm sure some of them will do the same again- take the easier softer route, it seems to be human nature.

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I don't like govenrment intervention. It's usually going to make a bad problem worse in the ling run, because the people who caused the problem are not held responsible.
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I agree whole heartily on you with this. If there are no consequences for stupid actions, people have nothing to lose and will take the risks, knowing in the end the govt will step in and help them out. We need people to behave responsibly and make better choices.
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It strikes me that the current debacle is being remedied for the lenders sake, and not for the home owners sake... so the tax dollars are being directed to the lenders... the home owners are still losing their houses... 

So if we are to let the home owners fail, should we not also let the lenders fail?

There are some plans to postpone foreclosures, and to freeze interest rates for home owners, and these plans will not cost the tax payer significantly... unfortunately, only the Democrats are offering up this type of plan...

So, I agree that if home owners made bad choices, and were properly informed, they should pay the penalty... but what then of real estate agents who kept pushing the buyers into homes that were just above what the buyer thought they could afford, and what of the lenders who encouraged these loans by not requiring down payments, or by creating products that were incredibly risky (ARMs in a rampantly over-optimistic market?

There is a tendency for agents to try to move the buyer to more expensive properties, and there was a tendency for lenders to create products that were untested and where the risks were unknown...

So who is at fault?

Everyone involved.

Just my two cents. 

11:23am • #50
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Larry- I'm with ya on that!

Karl - I think it is time for some folks to grow up.  I ain't your mama.

Paul - Well, with your theory and the Democrats pushing for a bailout - we all will pay.

 

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Did you help some of those buyers make those bad decisions?  Did you sell a few houses on those teaser rates? I know I did. 

Are we rewarding people for making bad choices?  Who cares??

When your next door neighbor's house gets boarded up, you won't care either.  

When your real estate goes totally in the toilet, you really won't care.

Kermit Johnson
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Kermit - I am glad you feel  comfortable sharing your thoughts in this forum.
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Nannette - your post made me think.  I can only be responsible for my actions, good or bad.  The government will always make decisions on ways to spend our tax dollars that everyone may not agree with.  Let me play d-----'s advocate for a second - is it really fair for childless tax payers to have to pay full  while those of us who have children get tax deductions?  What about the childless people who pay property taxes?

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When my children were small, we gave them an allowence based on their age.  The twins were older & got more money than the youngest (I had only three).

But we also paid a "household tax" which was based on hold old you are as well.  The older ones paid more and the tax money was put in a jar which was used for the benefit of all.  They would vote how to spend the money.  ie.  rent a video or movie or buy a common toy.

The twins came to me and were upset that they were to pay more and the youngest had paid less yet was able to enjoy the same benefits.  I explained that is how it works.  Taxes are something paid by some so that all can benefit.

This is not a tax.  If so it is without representation. 

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Congratulations on the feature in Ween In Review.  It gave me a second chance. 

This is what I love to read on ActiveRain, good solid "hard core real estate" talk. 

 

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This was a great conversation and dialog irrespective of the opinions express.  A healthy debate is always in order to sort out solutions to issues that face any society.
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NeedANotary - I enjoyed the debate myself and I tried to allow an open venue non bias so that others found it comfortable to share. 
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I think the bailout is a bad idea that is going to have some extremely detrimental repercussions in the following years. I feel bad for some of these homeowners as I am sure a portion of them did receive poor advice, guidance and false promises. But I am pretty sure a majority of them were well aware of what they were doing, speculated wrong and got bit in the backside. Why should I pay to help them now, they didn't heed my advice before...they were blinded by the dollar signs.
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JoEllen.  I agree with you on this.  I believe hind sight is 20/20 and they should have listened to me.  I hate to say it but "I told you so."

 

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