Nannette Saunders wrote:

And as part of the stimulus, which has already passed the House, homeowners would be able to seek the protection of the Federal Housing Administration for vastly more expensive homes than before. One provision of the bill would raise the limit on FHA mortgages from $362,790 to as much as $729,750 in expensive housing markets, allowing tens of thousands of mortgage holders to refinance int federally insured (read that as taxpayer-backed) loans. It would raise the cap on loans the quasi-governmental financial institutions Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae can purchase from $417,000 to $729,750.

I'll call this part of the stimulus package a taxpayer bailout of people who made some extremely bad choices fraught with tremendous risk. What do we learn? I think this is poor policy that sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

--- the image is hers, by the way (copy and paste)

I have to comment on this...

It strikes me that the current debacle is being remedied for the lenders sake, and not for the home owners sake... so the tax dollars are being directed to the lenders... the home owners are still losing their houses...

So if we are to let the home owners fail, should we not also let the lenders fail?

There are some plans to postpone foreclosures, and to freeze interest rates for home owners, and these plans will not cost the tax payer significantly... unfortunately, only the Democrats are offering up this type of plan...

So, I agree that if home owners made bad choices, and were properly informed, they should pay the penalty... but what then of real estate agents who kept pushing the buyers into homes that were just above what the buyer thought they could afford, and what of the lenders who encouraged these loans by not requiring down payments, or by creating products that were incredibly risky (ARMs in a rampantly over-optimistic market?

There is a tendency for agents to try to move the buyer to more expensive properties, and there was a tendency for lenders to create products that were untested and where the risks were unknown...

So who is at fault?

Everyone involved.

That said (I enjoy repeating myself, I think) there is some confusion here: the change in the allowable Freddie and Fannie loan purchases does not affect current home owners who are not seeking to refinance. It is not a bailout per se, since the loans will have already been made and this will only apply to new loans, or to loans being sold by lenders in the secondary market... this "bailout" is for the lenders, not for the home owners.

Also, given the price of houses today, increasing the limit on Freddie and Fannie is more an effort to account for the increase in the average cost of homes, rather than a bail out for home owners.

So, who is getting bailed out? Lenders or home owners? What relationship does the increase in Fannie and Freddie limits have with current market circumstances? We need to get a clear perception of what is going on. Buyers definitely over extended themselves, especially investors, but also many homeowners were prodded by agents into homes that should have been just out of reach for them, but were never the less they were able to finance them. So, it would appear that all three parties, lenders, agents, and buyers, are creditable with this crisis, and all should feel the pain... but alas, it would appear that home owners will take the brunt of it, lenders next, and agents will skate away with little harm, excepting a down market and inventories at very high levels...

All should take the appropriate responsibility, and redress the cause the within their respective industries, whether that is by government intervention, or through self policing... but most likely, the latter will never happen, especially in real estate.

The answers? Realtors should not push buyers into homes at the very limit of what they can initially afford. Lenders should preclude high risk loan products for owner occupied property loans, and should provide detailed information to the borrower, and of course, buyers should know what they can afford, and understand the risks, so that they avoid uniformed purchases that may adversely impact them in the near future. As for investors, they should know what they are doing, and pay the penalties for risks that failed.

What are your thoughts.

Paul Silver, Owner

Focus Professionals, Inc.

Rhode Island Real Estate Services

 
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hmmm, I agree that there is plenty of "fault" to go around, but the raising of the loan limits is the only part of the so-called "stimulus" package that I agree with!  

Being able to put people who are in high cost loans into safer "conforming" loans is a start.  Unfortunately, I don't see any effort to help less well off homeowners.  They need to fix the credit markets and if that means that somebody gets "bailed out" then so be it.

What they are currently doing by cutting the fed funds rate and such, not to mention this "stimulus" package is shortsighted and basically welfare for the rich.

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

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Bob, I have to agree with you... what would your recommendation be?
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Paul, I had read Nannnette's post but left without commenting because I just didn't get it.  I got lost on the higher FHA limits being a bail out.

Anyway, It's so difficult to lay blame anywhere. Buyer's, lenders and REALTORS(R) all got caught up in the frenzy and frankly most of the ones who got burned were the ones that came in near the end. It was about timing.

I have very mixed feelings with bail outs.  I prefer they don't happen but understand that a bail out may be a necessity in some areas. I think whatever happens it needs to include education. Education is the most important step to preventing this happening all over again in the future. The consumer, lenders and REALTORS(R) all need to be better educated.

I dissagree that "agents will skate away with little harm, excepting a down market and inventories at very high levels..." There are many very good REALTORS(R) that did everything right that are now being forced put of the business from lack of business. REALTORS(R) ar certainly paying the price as are others. In my market there were 14 closings in January out of 1,300 homes on the market!!! How bad is that.

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Bryant... as usual, thanks for the perceptive comment...

I understand your perspective on the agents being forced out of the business... that is in fact a penalty of sorts, but I think that is a market driven issue, while the press, the government, and the public at large do not seem to be blaming agents so much as lenders (mortgage fraud, predatory lending, etc. are just a couple of terms that come to mind) but I dont see much about how agents push buyers to more expensive properties... I know of a successful broker in the RI market who point blank instructs his agents to push the buyers up in price... we have an agent who used to work for that broker, and I have the PowerPoint slides that state as much in writing (bad idea for that guy to have put it in writing, but hey, not my problem)

I think a return to ethics is important in this environment, and make that a point with our agents... despite laws that do not require yearly ethics training ion our markets, my firm insists on it... but of course, agents are out to make a living, understandably, but this sort of pushing is reminiscent of car sales people, who always try to up the price, and stretch the purchaser limit... of course, so do mortgage loan originators, who are also paid commission only, in most instances, but that is not my point... 

Market forces always swell and then contract the number of agents out there, and always will... when the market is booming everyone and their children and dogs become agents, trying to cash in on the lush market... this is now the case and I imagine it always has been... when things slow down, the exodus commences... that is again happening... but there is more to it with other aspects of the industry (mortgages and property owners) who are being harmed by the dealings of unscrupulous agents, mortgage loan originators, and untested loan products.

Plenty of blame to go around, and then, really none, just bad timing and lousy investments on the part of buyers and investors.

Never the less, when someone starts pointing to blame, I have to butt in...

As for the relation between the Fannie and Freedie limits, and a bail out of some sort, I see no relation... no beneficiary, so to speak...

Anyway, thanks for the comment... 

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