Ok, just a warning before reading any further, if you are having a good day, don't proceed as this post may be a little disturbing...

In the last several week the FED has cut the target overnight rate by 125 basis points.  It's the most they've cut in a single quarter in the last twenty or so years.  If you don't understand why I've bolded target you may want to go back and read one of my previous posts (rants) Why does no one in the media understand The FED?

Basically the FED does not in fact set interest rates, only sets are target for overnight lending rates among banks and in fact is not even in the drivers seat in this respect but follows the demand for credit.  They then defend this target by adding or removing liquidity (loans) from the banking system daily.  The amount of liquidity the FED has contributed to the system is often referred to as "slosh".  When the target rate becomes hard to defend because it either requires adding or removing too much liquidity the they are forced to change the target rate.

This is what happened immediately prior to their surprise 75 BPS cut a few weeks ago, the demand for credit in the banking system plunged so they had to cut the target steeply to avoid having to remove to much money from an already wounded banking system.  The problems in the equity markets prior to the cut were in large part caused by this credit demand plunge.  This of a case of correlation does not equal causation.  The FED didn't cut because the stock markets were tanking but rather the same factor required both the cut and and caused the stock selloff.  Of course the media immediately links it to the stock sell off, because they tend to watch stock markets and pay little attention to the less sexy and less transparent credit markets.

Now here's where it gets scary, despite the 125 basis points of cutting, the slosh in the system is dropping, the FED is REMOVING liquidity from the banking system.  In fact the slosh is now down to only $16B (+ TAF actions), where for much of the fall it was above $50B.  And yet yesterday the overnight lending rate last night was a full 18 basis points BELOW the target rate.  What?   

Basically the ramifications of this is credit demand is completely collapsing.  There are many other metrics where this can also be observed.  The FED maybe forced to cut the target again in the not so distant future simply to avoid having to pull more money from the banking system.

Now why is credit demand collapsing?  Lending is drying up, despite the lower price of funds, banks are afraid to lend thus don't need to borrow as much.  Some of the ones in more dire straights also don't have the collateral to take on additional funds hence why they are going and taking money from Middle Eastern investors at payday loan rates.  That's actually a good tip off, why does Citigroup or Merrill Lynch, etc go pay 12% rates to outside investors when they can get money much cheaper from the FED?  The answer, they don't have the collateral/reserves space available to borrow elsewhere.   

So what does this all mean? 

The target rate is more than likely going lower, much lower.  Yet, at the same time lending will continue to tighten.  Banks won't/can't lend further and their borrowers will have less demand for credit.  We are possibly seeing the start of what economists would refer to as a deflationary credit collapse.  This is what happened in Japan starting in the late 1980's, which was incidentally triggered by the popping of their real estate bubble.  Once these things get going they are nearly impossible to stop, and result in further and further contraction of credit and asset price declines among pretty much all assets (real estate, stocks, commodities, etc)

Yup scary stuff.  I'm not trying to be alarmist, I'm just pointing out what I see happening based on the data...

 

Update: After the effective funds rate trended way below the target rate for three days, it has now started to stabilize a bit, this is good news.

 

16 Comments on Why the FED may cut deeper soon, and the scary implications...

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05
2008
114,736 Points

Thanks for your post Matt!

I just don't see it. I think the cuts have gone as far as they are going to go. If anything the Feds need to work on FHA reform (along with helping Fannie and Freddie)

Until value issues adjust we are going to have a rocky market. While lenders keep adding bumps and MI is going through the roof our market is not going to have any big changes.

Now I feel sales will increase but it will be gradual and many of us will profit. I just do not see another rate cut doing anything to help our current market

Happy Selling!

Tony Grego - Indiana Mortgage Broker     

12:15pm • #1
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Rate cuts won't help the market, but that's not the point.  The media has incorrectly burned into peoples brains the reason the FED cuts is due to factors in say the real estate or stock markets.  It's all about the credit markets and the banking system.  Unless the effective fund rate recovers (which it very well may) it will force the FED's hand.
12:17pm • #2
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Matt

Yours is an interesting and compelling analysis.  If you're correct, and I suspect that you are, we could be faced with some very difficult and strange times in the near future.  Thanks.   

12:22pm • #3
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Bookmarked. This is completely fascinating and I was glued to every word. No kidding! This is so illuminating and explains the disconnect I'm feeling between cause and effect as to our rates at the moment.
12:41pm • #4
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Matt - Nice use of the term "deflationary credit collapse". That is a new one for me.

It is hard to say exactly what is going to happen in our economy. Locally, in Bellingham (I am guessing Seattle too) the real estate market is really picking up. I am curious if this is just a January burst, or if it will continue into the summer. 

1:51pm • #5
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Matt,  Crap!!  But I totally see where you are coming from.  It reminds me of an old Money & Banking class in college (must admit it was one of my favorites).
6:21pm • #6
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I tend to be a bit of a contrarian.  When everything is amazingly dark, investors start finding opportunities and get back into the market.  When everything looks like nothing can turn it, investors think things are just too hunky-dory... and start walking away. 

I hope I am right.  I fear that you might be.   

9:13pm • #7
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06
2008
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So yesterday the effective fed funds rate (EFF) dropped again to 2.71% vs. a target of 3%
9:51am • #8
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I was watching those cuts.  They are not reflecting in the retail mortgage side.  The mortgage rates are about the same as before the cuts.
12:39pm • #9
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Randy, yup exactly...  These cuts are not good for the real estate industry, they won't effect mortgage rates materially and imply that the credit market is in fact tightening up meaning less money available to be loaned out.
12:46pm • #10
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07
2008
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We are in for a very rough ride....and we caused it our selves....... if like you said, the credit keeps drying up and the FED keeps lowering the target rate....the effective rates will NOT trickle down to consumers.... there will be a HUGE disparity between what rate funds are loaned at AND how much funds are avalable to loan....

It is like a BIG sweet carrot (A good rate on a mortgage) being YANKED away from you (Funds not being available) at the last moment.... NOT GOOD....

=-P

1:59am • #11
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Matt, I "was" having a good day, but I thought I would read this anyway:)  Especially since I just came from your monoline post!

If you are going to continue writing these "AS I SEE IT" posts, you may want to start doing some recommendations.  I for one would like to see alternative ways to maintain my standards in this house of cards.

Or are we totally sc***d?  And what ended up happening in Japan...after?

11:32am • #12
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Were in trouble, a house of cards is a very appropriate analogy and it's coming apart quickly.  The financial "innovations" after 2000 was what stick saved things and created what people refer to as the housing bubble.  Those financial innovations are now blowing up on us.  Even some of the FED members are now publically talking about the system is about to "reset".

Japan basically ended up in a 20 year long recession after the collapse of their housing market and then other assets such as stocks. 

11:40am • #13
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20 years?   I probably won't see the end of it then:(  This was so refreshing! One can only hope it does not go the same way, but from what I've seen lately.....appreciate your updates.
3:23pm • #14
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09
2008
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22
2008
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It's unfortunate that this post hasn't received more comments and attention.  There is an (understandable) desire among some folks to bury their heads in the sand.  Not only has liquidity been taken out of the banking system but liquidity is evaporating from the housing market as well.
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